Mt Friend, We have no choice but to obey the law/word of God. To openly rebel against the word is tragic.
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The True Gospel Preacher
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Oh, but we do have a choice, that's why most will be eternally separated from God.
They will in some way fail to follow God's plan of redemption.
Charlie, They are born, loving and choosing sin, as sinners. If God does not save them, they perish. That is why we preach to all men the hope of the gospel. What is still confusing to you?
That is true with some, but there are others that will say, "Lord, Lord, and I will say depart from me I never knew you."
There are many reasons why man does not follow the specific plan God predestined for us.
KenH
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If your "god" predestines things to happen that don't happen, then your idea of a "god" is absolutely pathetic. Your idea of a "god" cannot save anyone - including you and every other mere human being. According to your theology, we are all bound for Hell with absolutely no hope.
When are you going to get it through your head, Ken, that God doesn't always get His way with fallen man?
You and I do something almost every day that was not determined by God nor is His will for us to do.
Why do you suppose we are able to do that?
KenH
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God foreordained it.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
The prophet Isaiah and the apostle Paul long ago dealt with folks like you:
Isaiah 29:16 For shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
5 point Gillinist
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That was in regard to you. @kyredneck responded with scripture.
No, Ken, it's your false Calvinist theology that causes you to believe such nonsense.
You're posting Scripture that you know is out of context with what we're discussing.
Of course that's all you can do, you have no other way!
K is very confused and always posts Scripture out of context because he doesn't know any better!
KenH
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2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
That's one of my favorite quotes from Paul.
What you must understand is that Scripture follows a pattern of context. You read before a chosen verse to find the beginning of the context, maybe a few verses or maybe a few chapters. then you read after the chosen verse to find the conclusion to the context.
None of what you have posted is in context of what we are discussing.
You just sling whatever sounds good at whoever disagrees with you.
KenH
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The context is the ENTIRE Bible. As the catchphrase for Bloomberg TV says, "Context changes everything."
There are specifics in context, all of the "ENTIRE Bible" does not give the specifics of any given subject.
I will agree in the big picture that the entire Bible is in context with redemption through Jesus Christ, from Genesis-Revelation.
KenH
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The specifics of how that redemption works is found in certain locations of the Bible.
We totally disagree on those specifics.
KJB1611reader
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Silverhair
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But to be able to openly rebel requires a free will ZA.
But since you do not think man has a free will then that open rebellion must have been decreed and that makes you wonder why God said He desires all to come to repentance.
Calvinists do have an odd view of God when you think through what they say.
For example let's use John 3:16 as a simple proof of our disagreement on redemption.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
We will disagree who the "whosoever" are.
God has commanded all men everywhere to repent, they (all of mankind) are the whosoever.
Of course, you will not see it that way.