I respect many if not most of the Calvinist's views on this board, such as the post that Tom Butler made, and those that would agree with it. I also agree with the OP. It seems to me that there are some Calvinists that take their brand of Calvinism too far. I know of one here that does not think that the Great Commission is necessary. There are some Calvinistic full preterists that deny the literal coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is a fundamental doctrine as far as I am concerned. In taking that position they also believe that Christ has already come (70 A.D.) but it was spiritual. That goes entirely against all Biblical and orthodox teaching--that which the Church has been teaching for centuries; even for millenia (all two of them). I can fellowship with the average Calvinist with no problem even though I disagree with Calvinism, but to deny the literal return of our Lord Jesus Christ? That's another matter.
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preacher4truth
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I respect many if not most of the Calvinist's views on this board, such as the post that Tom Butler made, and those that would agree with it. I also agree with the OP. It seems to me that there are some Calvinists that take their brand of Calvinism too far. I know of one here that does not think that the Great Commission is necessary. There are some Calvinistic full preterists that deny the literal coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is a fundamental doctrine as far as I am concerned. In taking that position they also believe that Christ has already come (70 A.D.) but it was spiritual. That goes entirely against all Biblical and orthodox teaching--that which the Church has been teaching for centuries; even for millenia (all two of them). I can fellowship with the average Calvinist with no problem even though I disagree with Calvinism, but to deny the literal return of our Lord Jesus Christ? That's another matter.
Jesus came physically and literally the first time, He'll be doing the same the second time.
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humblethinker
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...then words have lost their meaning...
words changing their meaning is what I struggle with when reasoning with a Calvinist... I'd much rather words loose their meaning, having no meaning at all, than their meaning changing to something else. I'm just expressing here. I'm not trying to make a case. Maybe another day in a dedicated thread.
There is calvinist that do see the open door of the Gospel and whosoever may enter.
They will not fight against the scripture.
But some even if God came down from heaven and said God loved the world they wouldn't believe Him.
They have been causing discord amoung the believers for so long for no reason.
Accourding to them God is going to save the elect of God and we can't do nothing about. Then we have nothing to worry about and this discord they have ben sowing along side us hasn't done nothing but cause problems.
If they are wrong and God does love the world and whosoever can believe. That whosoever is whosoever and all is all, and people are not comming because of thier wrong message, then thier blood will be on thier hands.
Well, as being the resident Armraldist on BB....
would have to say that the Cals and myself do NOT spread discord among the bethren as long as we all agree to keep discussion on Bible, not personal agendas..
And do also think that there IS an incentive to preach and teach Jesus Especially if a Cal/Amal as we both affirm God election is at work among people, Gospel/Bible chosen instrument to allow them to receive Jesus and confirm their election!
psalms109:31
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Confirmation
The only confirmation is that we hear the Gospel and trust in Jesus.
I praise God the Gospel isn't that some just can't come but to come and Jesus will not lose anyone He has been given. We can't be like the pharisees and believe we are self righteous and we can be saved without Jesus. Can we elect ourself and say God elected me? We know who we believed and He assures of our salvation.
The only confirmation is that we hear the Gospel and trust in Jesus.
I praise God the Gospel isn't that some just can't come but to come and Jesus will not lose anyone He has been given. We can't be like the pharisees and believe we are self righteous and we can be saved without Jesus. Can we elect ourself and say God elected me? We know who we believed and He assures of our salvation.
The only confirmation is that we hear the Gospel and trust in Jesus.
I praise God the Gospel isn't that some just can't come but to come and Jesus will not lose anyone He has been given. We can't be like the pharisees and believe we are self righteous and we can be saved without Jesus. Can we elect ourself and say God elected me? We know who we believed and He assures of our salvation.
God knows those who are His own, are the elected by God, as he moves on us and enables us to receive jesus when we hear the Gospel message...
Those of us saved by His grace really humbled, as we did NOTHING to attain the salvation, it was and is fully of the Lord!
psalms109:31
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We are saved by grace because we did not have to pay the penalty for our sin that does not take away our responsibility to trust.
By our own words we are condemned "I do not believe" By our own words we are acquitted"I believe"
Men our condemned simply because they have not believed in the one He sent and God has made us His messenger.
By our own words we are condemned "I do not believe" By our own words we are acquitted"I believe"
Men our condemned simply because they have not believed in the one He sent and God has made us His messenger.
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