Wordly music or Christian Lyrics?

[FriendofSpurgeon]

I am not saying that music that is contemporary is evil. However, using rock music in a church service cannot be glorifying to God.

One, I don't know your definition of rock music. Hard rock, soft rock, country rock, or all rock? What makes it rock? A guitar, drums, bass?

Two (and more importantly), it's a bit interesting that you can emphatically state which music can and cannot be glorifying to God in a church service. My guess, based on Scriptures, is that it is a heart issue not a beat issue.

 

[corndogggy]

All this jibberish comes back to drums. It's the beat that ol' boy here has a problem with. There is nowhere that even remotely comes close to forbidding music to have a beat or drums. On the contrary, hand drums and cymbals were used in the bible just fine though. Go figure.

As for the argument of going back to their old ways... somebody could very well be a sinner and happen to like classical music, professional oboe concerts, barbershop quartets, or any number of things that have no beat and are not rock, yet by your definition, if they listen to it after they're saved, they're going back to their old evil ways. I think that reasoning is a bit silly.

 

[securityofficer2008]

I am not saying that music that is contemporary is evil. However, using rock music in a church service cannot be glorifying to God.

One, I don't know your definition of rock music. Hard rock, soft rock, country rock, or all rock? What makes it rock? A guitar, drums, bass?

Two (and more importantly), it's a bit interesting that you can emphatically state which music can and cannot be glorifying to God in a church service. My guess, based on Scriptures, is that it is a heart issue not a beat issue.

All Rock is my definition of rock. The style that it is played makes it rock. Musical instruments do not make a song rock but the style in which the instruments are played makes it rock. A string bass (slap bass or upright bass) can be used to play classical, bluegrass, country, hymns, jazz, etc. The instruments are not what matters...it is the style in which they are played. So get over the preconceived idea that everyone else has in stereo-typing me in thinking that I am against the instruments.

 

[securityofficer2008]

I think that reasoning is a bit silly.

There you go with preferance and yet I get accused of bring preference into the picture. Go figure...one of you using preference! Hmm...

 

[corndogggy]

There you go with preferance and yet I get accused of bring preference into the picture. Go figure...one of you using preference! Hmm...

At least I plainly state that "I think" and not "the bible says" when it doesn't. Big difference.

 

[padredurand]

I am not saying that music that is contemporary is evil. However, using rock music in a church service cannot be glorifying to God.

All Rock is my definition of rock. The style that it is played makes it rock. Musical instruments do not make a song rock but the style in which the instruments are played makes it rock. A string bass (slap bass or upright bass) can be used to play classical, bluegrass, country, hymns, jazz, etc. The instruments are not what matters...it is the style in which they are played. So get over the preconceived idea that everyone else has in stereo-typing me in thinking that I am against the instruments.

The style? How specifically does the style make the music fail to glorify God? Does God desire only somber music? I'm looking for a verse tat says, "Thou shall not tappeth the toe." but I can't find it. If the music style needs to be soft and slow to be honoring, we've got a problem. I would believe there has been more backseat incidences to the sounds of Barry White than the Beatles.

When all is said and done I know that my feet are on the ROCK and my name is on the ROLL!

 

[corndogggy]

All Rock is my definition of rock. The style that it is played makes it rock. Musical instruments do not make a song rock but the style in which the instruments are played makes it rock. A string bass (slap bass or upright bass) can be used to play classical, bluegrass, country, hymns, jazz, etc. The instruments are not what matters...it is the style in which they are played. So get over the preconceived idea that everyone else has in stereo-typing me in thinking that I am against the instruments.

Yes you are against the instruments because that slap bass can be playing most anything and it will sound like anything except for rock, but you put a drum set with it, and suddenly you can easily make it sound like rock. An acoustic guitar and a singer is folk music, singer/songwriter stuff. Put a drumset with it and suddenly you can rock it up. Take a bluegrass band and put a drum set on stage and it transforms into something you would label as rock. Take out the drums on a typical rock song and most of the time it would sound horrible. I have played with multiple rock bands and can tell you that the drummer makes or breaks the sound. At our church we always have a piano going, but if soembody doesn't play drums, then the other instruments such as the acoustic guitar and bass guitar just make the song sound worse, but the drums set it off and ties everything together, and the resulting sound would be something you would label as "rock".

You're against the drums. You just may not know it. The drumset is the common denominator of everything you're talking about. Take most any style and add a drum set to it and you'd label it as "rock and roll", so don't act like you're not against any particular instruments.

 

[stilllearning]

Hello securityofficer2008

Very well said.

But one thing that popped out at me, was this line..........

“This movement started out small, but now has grown so that non-believers are now listening to it.”

This is an interesting point.

No unsaved people, would voluntarily listen to hymns:
But there message, blesses the heart of God’s people.

 

[securityofficer2008]

Yes you are against the instruments because that slap bass can be playing most anything and it will sound like anything except for rock, but you put a drum set with it, and suddenly you can easily make it sound like rock. An acoustic guitar and a singer is folk music, singer/songwriter stuff. Put a drumset with it and suddenly you can rock it up. Take a bluegrass band and put a drum set on stage and it transforms into something you would label as rock. Take out the drums on a typical rock song and most of the time it would sound horrible. I have played with multiple rock bands and can tell you that the drummer makes or breaks the sound. At our church we always have a piano going, but if soembody doesn't play drums, then the other instruments such as the acoustic guitar and bass guitar just make the song sound worse, but the drums set it off and ties everything together, and the resulting sound would be something you would label as "rock".

You're against the drums. You just may not know it. The drumset is the common denominator of everything you're talking about. Take most any style and add a drum set to it and you'd label it as "rock and roll", so don't act like you're not against any particular instruments.

Not true. How do you know what I am thinking in my head. All you know is what I have said. This may suprise a stereo-typer as yourself, but I am not against drums. I have heard some songs that have had drums in them and it does not make it rock. It does put more of a beat into it, but it does not make it rock. It could be something twangy with drums. Does that make it rock? No! I acutually used to play the string bass (upright bass) so I know about beat. That is all that the string bass does. I have played with a jazz band a long time ago. Guess what???? We had drums....oh no....and it was jazz not rock. Again the instruments do not matter, however the style in which they are played does.

So stop stereo-typing me because you do not know me.

 

[corndogggy]

It could be something twangy with drums. Does that make it rock? No!

I play a telecaster... I know plenty of twangy songs that rock. :thumbs:

Show me a video or mp3 of a Christian song with a drumset and isn't too slow that you don't think is rock.

 

[securityofficer2008]

I'm looking for a verse tat says, "Thou shall not tappeth the toe." but I can't find it.

That's what you are looking for. Guess what that is what most of the people that favor rock music in here are looking for. They want to see a verse that says thou shalt not. Guess what.....does the Bible say thou shalt not do drugs? Does the Bible say thou shalt night smoke? No, but from the principles found in God's Word we find that we are not to do those things because of the associations, the pride, the health that it is associated with. We are not to do them because our "bodies are not our own" and we are bought with a price (Christ's blood). It does says "thou shalt not...." with these things listed. However, we derrive the principles found in the Bible to know what God does and does not want us to do.

 

[securityofficer2008]

I play a telecaster... I know plenty of twangy songs that rock. :thumbs:

Show me a video or mp3 of a Christian song with a drumset and isn't too slow that you don't think is rock.

So now you say that it is the speed that makes it rock. From what you are saying the song has to be fast to make an impression and not be boring. So what does speed of a song make people do? Maybe play with their emotions a little? Hmmm....

 

[securityofficer2008]

I play a telecaster... I know plenty of twangy songs that rock. :thumbs:

Show me a video or mp3 of a Christian song with a drumset and isn't too slow that you don't think is rock.

Let me ask you this. What happens when a song is played at a faster pace? Is the emphasis more on the words or the music? Some people in here have said that good Christian music puts the emphasis on the right words and does not have anything to do with the music. If you play it faster, does your brain have time to process every word that is being said? No, there could be false doctrine in a song and you could be missing it because of the tempo of the song. Hmmm...

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[corndogggy]

So now you say that it is the speed that makes it rock. From what you are saying the song has to be fast to make an impression and not be boring. So what does speed of a song make people do? Maybe play with their emotions a little? Hmmm....

I'm saying that very few decent songs of any genre is so slow that it's about to fall apart... except for some old hymns. I could just see you picking out one of those with the slowest drumbeat ever and saying "hey, this one isn't rock".

But, you know, there's plenty of old hymns that I'm sure you love that are plenty fast and people get their emotions played with so don't even go there.

 

[corndogggy]

Let me ask you this. What happens when a song is played at a faster pace? Is the emphasis more on the words or the music? Some people in here have said that good Christian music puts the emphasis on the right words and does not have anything to do with the music. If you play it faster, does your brain have time to process every word that is being said? No, there could be false doctrine in a song and you could be missing it because of the tempo of the song. Hmmm...

Then you need to start throwing out all the faster gospel tunes too if you're going to go there. "I shall not be moved" is out for sure, it's so evil and all, especially since it says "I" several times. :BangHead:

 

[securityofficer2008]

I'm saying that very few decent songs of any genre is so slow that it's about to fall apart... except for some old hymns. I could just see you picking out one of those with the slowest drumbeat ever and saying "hey, this one isn't rock".

But, you know, there's plenty of old hymns that I'm sure you love that are plenty fast and people get their emotions played with so don't even go there.

The stereo-typing continues......as I have said before, not all hymns are okay to be used in a church service. Guess what???? Uh oh here it comes....some hymns are theologically thin or even incorrect. Doesn't mean that I like those, but because you stereo-type me you probably believe that I do like them.

 

[corndogggy]

Then forget the slow part... show me a video or mp3 of any Christian song with a drumset that isn't rock in your opinion, something that would be acceptable for church service in your eyes.

 

[securityofficer2008]

Then you need to start throwing out all the faster gospel tunes too if you're going to go there. "I shall not be moved" is out for sure, it's so evil and all, especially since it says "I" several times. :BangHead:

too bad I don't sing or listen to that one!!! I would never use it in a church service either. Your right....I will get rid off all my fast gospel tunes (which I don't have) if you will get rid off all your rock music.

Tell me music doesn't play with your emotions and I will call you a liar. What does a football team listen to in the locker room before a big football game? I am sure that it isn't something slow. Why? I will tell you. It is because fast rock music pumps them up for the game. It plays with their emotions. It psch's them up for the game. Some churches use rock music with Christian lyrics to psch people up for the preaching or the altar call.

 

[securityofficer2008]

Then forget the slow part... show me a video or mp3 of any Christian song with a drumset that isn't rock in your opinion, something that would be acceptable for church service in your eyes.

I can't right now because I am at work. I cannot use the computer for this because we are contracted employees.

 

[corndogggy]

Tell me music doesn't play with your emotions and I will call you a liar.

I'm not saying it doesn't... I'm saying that 1. all types of music at all speeds all throughout history has played with everyones emotions, and 2. this isn't necessarily a bad thing. You seem to think that rock/fast music is the only thing capable of messing with emotions.