What does Rom. 11:29 Mean?

[TaliOrlando]

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable

What do you get from this?

 

[Marcia]

It has to do with God calling out Israel as his chosen people.

The context tells us this. Look at the passage preceding this. A lot of people take this out of context and use it for God calling people to be pastors or things like that.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Marcia's right. The whole chapter is about the Jews and their relationship with God

Verse 5 reminds the Christians in Rome that there is and will be a remnant of Jews. Verse 8 reminds about the prophetic words of David that the Jews will "slumber" for a while. Verse 11 tells those Gentiles that the Jews have stumbled, but not fallen completely and it was to bring the gospel to the Gentiles.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now
obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Verse 28 says that it appears that it was good fortune for the Gentiles that the Jews rejected the gospel, but that that Jews are not cut off from God because their are still His beloved. And the whole chapter insinuates that the Gentiles are not to take pleasure nor pride in the Jew's disbelief, but to understand that's how gospel came to them and to understand that Jews still need the gospel.

Your verse in question, verse 29, says that God's calling upon them cannot be take back because God doesn't do that.

 

[Tom Butler]

The specific application of the verse is regarding the Jews, but the principle established in the verse is universal. So it is also a great eternal security verse.

When God gives us his gift of salvation, it means that he will not take it back.

 

[steaver]

The specific application of the verse is regarding the Jews, but the principle established in the verse is universal. So it is also a great eternal security verse.

When God gives us his gift of salvation, it means that he will not take it back.

Amen! :thumbs:

Even though the verse is a wrap up of a testimony about Israel's calling it is still one of those universal promises from God that stands on it's own. Once God gives a gift, He will not and cannot take it back, ELSE it was not truly a gift and God be found a liar.

:jesus:

 

[steaver]

Marcia's right. The whole chapter is about the Jews and their relationship with God

Verse 5 reminds the Christians in Rome that there is and will be a remnant of Jews. Verse 8 reminds about the prophetic words of David that the Jews will "slumber" for a while. Verse 11 tells those Gentiles that the Jews have stumbled, but not fallen completely and it was to bring the gospel to the Gentiles.



Verse 28 says that it appears that it was good fortune for the Gentiles that the Jews rejected the gospel, but that that Jews are not cut off from God because their are still His beloved. And the whole chapter insinuates that the Gentiles are not to take pleasure nor pride in the Jew's disbelief, but to understand that's how gospel came to them and to understand that Jews still need the gospel.

Your verse in question, verse 29, says that God's calling upon them cannot be take back because God doesn't do that.

"Your verse in question, verse 29, says that God's calling upon them cannot be take back because God doesn't do that"

Exactly! It would be out of God's character to give a gift and then take it away. Any gift. Verse 29 is a promise from God concerning gifts. All gifts.

:godisgood:

 

[steaver]

It has to do with God calling out Israel as his chosen people.

The context tells us this. Look at the passage preceding this. A lot of people take this out of context and use it for God calling people to be pastors or things like that.

Marcia, where in the passage does Paul speak about Israel receiving a "gift"?

:jesus:

 

[Jedi Knight]

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you"Jews": but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. I believe this is what Paul meant. John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. John 1:12 BUT as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name::type:

 

[Tom Butler]

Paul, in Romans 6, said "the gift of God is eternal life." A gift which is not recalled.

 

[Marcia]

Marcia, where in the passage does Paul speak about Israel receiving a "gift"?

:jesus:

It's "gifts." The word is "charisma," which means an umerited blessing or favor. It also means "grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit."

The previous passage does not have to have the word "gifts" in it for it to be mentioned here. Rom. 11 is part of a long passage that begins in Rom. 9.


The Bible in Basic English renders it:
Because God's selection and his mercies may not be changed.


Here is one comment:

"God's gifts" is placed forward for the sake of emphasis. "Irrevocable" literally means "unrepented." Its contextual meaning is "irrevocable."

Stoeckhardt: Paul says that the actions of God are unregretted, unrepented of, that is, firm, unchangeable.
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Verse 29 explains verse 28. What God promised to the patriarchs He will bring to pass. His promises are summarized. The former is gifts in general and the latter their call in particular. Though the elect Jews of his time are still steeped in unbelief, because of election God's gifts and calling for the individual Jews will take place. The point is that they are not to be despised by the Gentiles.

Franzmann: God is God and not a man. His gifts and His call have their cause and origin in Him alone; they are not generated by the goodness of man, and they do not evaporate before the badness of man.
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http://www.pericope.org/buls-notes/romans/romans_11_13_15_29_32.htm


Gill says this:

wherefore as the purposes, promises, and covenant of God are immutable, so the gifts of his grace, and the calling of his people included in them, are things certain and irrevocable, Romans 11:29, and so the calling of the Jews, and the gifts of his grace designed for them, which is another proof of their calling and conversion

Some as above think the "gifts" may refer to something in the future.
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[steaver]

It's "gifts." The word is "charisma," which means an umerited blessing or favor. It also means "grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit."

The previous passage does not have to have the word "gifts" in it for it to be mentioned here. Rom. 11 is part of a long passage that begins in Rom. 9.


The Bible in Basic English renders it:
Because God's selection and his mercies may not be changed.


Here is one comment:

"God's gifts" is placed forward for the sake of emphasis. "Irrevocable" literally means "unrepented." Its contextual meaning is "irrevocable."

Stoeckhardt: Paul says that the actions of God are unregretted, unrepented of, that is, firm, unchangeable.
​

Verse 29 explains verse 28. What God promised to the patriarchs He will bring to pass. His promises are summarized. The former is gifts in general and the latter their call in particular. Though the elect Jews of his time are still steeped in unbelief, because of election God's gifts and calling for the individual Jews will take place. The point is that they are not to be despised by the Gentiles.

Franzmann: God is God and not a man. His gifts and His call have their cause and origin in Him alone; they are not generated by the goodness of man, and they do not evaporate before the badness of man.
​

http://www.pericope.org/buls-notes/romans/romans_11_13_15_29_32.htm


Gill says this:

wherefore as the purposes, promises, and covenant of God are immutable, so the gifts of his grace, and the calling of his people included in them, are things certain and irrevocable, Romans 11:29, and so the calling of the Jews, and the gifts of his grace designed for them, which is another proof of their calling and conversion


Some as above think the "gifts" may refer to something in the future.
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Amen and Amen and Amen Marcia! :thumbs:

All three of your references support just what Tom and I said. Any and all gifts from God are irrevocable. Now just because a person becomes a pastor does not equate to God gifted that person to be a pastor. True gifts from God will not be revoked. (Ro 11:29)

:jesus:

 

[gb93433]

God is not sorry for his gifts to and calling of the Jews.