Obama abortion speech II

[canadyjd]

Obama calls for 'common ground' on abortion at Notre Dame

Obama conceded that no matter how much Americans "may want to fudge it ... at some level the views of the two camps are irreconcilable.".....

..."Each side will continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction," he said. "But surely we can do so without reducing those with differing views to caricature."..... "How does each of us remain firm in our principles, and fight for what we consider right, without demonizing those with just as strongly held convictions on the other side?".....

I didn't make a comment in the last thread, so I hope you all don't mind this observation.

Obama lectures the pro-life community about "reducing those with differing views to caricature" and encouraging debate "without demonizing those...on the other side."

However, it is the Obama adminstration that, just a few weeks ago, informed law enforcement personel to consider pro-life groups to be terrorists (or at least potential terrorists).

It is left-wing liberals who continually caricature pro-life groups as extreme, hateful, angry mobs.

I suspect the move to "common ground" may be found in the latest poll that showed 51% of Americans considered themselves to be pro-life, 43%(?) to be pro-choice.

The message is getting out, hearts are being changed, and Obama wants us to shut up.

Obama should write a new book on abortion. He should call it "The Audacity of Hypocrisy"

peace to youraying:

 

[ktn4eg]

Apparently Obama's mother was pro-life.

 

[LeBuick]

Obama lectures the pro-life community about "reducing those with differing views to caricature" and encouraging debate "without demonizing those...on the other side."

However, it is the Obama adminstration that, just a few weeks ago, informed law enforcement personel to consider pro-life groups to be terrorists (or at least potential terrorists).

I am sure no one here fits this category but when they killed the doctor or bombed the clinic, how would you classify those actions?

And, you may have only heard him say the pro-life community but in truth he cautioned both sides about reducing those with differing views to caricature.

And I forgot to add, those statements were also in the Bush reports. Funny how no one made a big deal out of it when Bush said basically the same thing.

 

[targus]

I am sure no one here fits this category but when they killed the doctor or bombed the clinic, how would you classify those actions?.

Living about twenty years in the past are we?

Read about a lot of recent abortion doctor killings and abortion clinic bombings recently have you?

More pointless prattle.

 

[LeBuick]

Living about twenty years in the past are we?

Read about a lot of recent abortion doctor killings and abortion clinic bombings recently have you?

More pointless prattle.

So should we declassify al qaeda from being terrorist since they haven't bombed the WTC lately?

Also, just this year Matthew L. Derosia rammed his SUV into a planned parenthood clinic. So don't pretend like the violence has stopped or was limited to 20 years ago.

From the article.. "Anti-abortion activists commonly use Nazi or Holocaust references when discussing abortion."

Sounds like terrorist to me but like I said, I don't think anyone here fits this category... I don't think YOU was who she was referring to.

 

[OldRegular]

So should we declassify al qaeda from being terrorist since they haven't bombed the WTC lately?

Also, just this year Matthew L. Derosia rammed his SUV into a planned parenthood clinic. So don't pretend like the violence has stopped or was limited to 20 years ago.

From the article.. "Anti-abortion activists commonly use Nazi or Holocaust references when discussing abortion."

Sounds like terrorist to me but like I said, I don't think anyone here fits this category... I don't think YOU was who she was referring to.

I put all abortionists in the same class as the islamic terrorists. I also put "bho" in the same class as the abortionists. Actually abortionists are worse than Islamic terrorists because they are killing unborn babies for money. At least the Islamic terrorists are supposedly doing it for philosophical reasons.

 

[canadyjd]

I am sure no one here fits this category but when they killed the doctor or bombed the clinic, how would you classify those actions?

As non-Christian.

And, you may have only heard him say the pro-life community but in truth he cautioned both sides about reducing those with differing views to caricature.

You can't "caution" both sides to tone down the rhetoric, when you are one of the "sides" that is using the offensive language.

He has no moral ground to ask anyone to tone down rhetoric until he apologizes to the pro-life community for singling them out for observation as terrorists, and admonishes his own buddies on the liberal left to tone down their unwarrented and offensive language.

peace to youraying:

 

[canadyjd]

From the article.. "Anti-abortion activists commonly use Nazi or Holocaust references when discussing abortion." Sounds like terrorist to me....

Also from the article:

The Star Tribune reports that Derosia has had a history of mental illness.

Sounds like mental illness to me. Are you suggesting those who are pro-life are mentally ill? Or did you miss that little bit of information.

peace to youraying:

 

[LeBuick]

Also from the article:Sounds like mental illness to me. Are you suggesting those who are pro-life are mentally ill? Or did you miss that little bit of information.

peace to youraying:

Look at the people with him in the picture, are you suggesting all of them are mentally ill? Or just the guy who drove the car? Are you saying those non-mentally ill pro-lifers were following the lead of a mentally ill person???

I'm confused by your argument... You're not implying that is the only violence from the pro-life side. Now show me where the other side of the debate has done violence to the pro-lifers?

And as far as toning down the rhetoric, I think Obama is right. Disagreeing on issues are one thing but that is no excuse to treat your brother without love and compassion. I will say this again, you can't walk up to a person, call them a murderer then ask them to join your cause. That is just not an effective way of winning the debate... Nazi or Holocaust references when discussing abortion I am sure is very effective... NOT!!!

Now I have never heard of a pro-choice person calling someone a non-murderer then asking them to join their cause. If you can show me an example I will gladly retract my statement.

 

[targus]

I'm confused by your argument... You're not implying that is the only violence from the pro-life side. Now show me where the other side of the debate has done violence to the pro-lifers?

Easy - it's called an abortion.

And you did your last bit of violence when you voted for Obama.

 

[KenH]

And you did your last bit of violence when you voted for Obama.

As long as conservatives keep making such silly statements it is very doubtful that they will ever win another national election.

We need a healthy two party system but conservatives are not currently holding up their end of the competition.

 

[windcatcher]

So should we declassify al qaeda from being terrorist since they haven't bombed the WTC lately?

Also, just this year Matthew L. Derosia rammed his SUV into a planned parenthood clinic. So don't pretend like the violence has stopped or was limited to 20 years ago.

From the article.. "Anti-abortion activists commonly use Nazi or Holocaust references when discussing abortion."

Sounds like terrorist to me but like I said, I don't think anyone here fits this category... I don't think YOU was who she was referring to.

Actually...... it sounds to me like you didn't say..... before you indicted the whole anti-abortion movement as "terrorist"


........ and that after totally ignoring that little quip about the man having mental illness.

BTW, people with mental illness, are driven by their illness to do stupid things on both sides of political divisions..... just like recent 'ethnic' attacks, staged by a girl saying she was attacked because she was moslem, and another who said it was because she supported Obama! In none of these cases or the above instance does one hear 'the group' supposedly behind them justifying or egging them on in their delusional self-destruction.

As for the file photo..... how does one know how or whether it is linked directly to the story or just an added prop against the anti-abortionist crowd?

LeBuick, for someone who protest that he's anti-abortion..... you certainly have a strange way of promoting the positions and propaganda of the pro-abortion defense.

 

[Revmitchell]

LeBuick, for someone who protest that he's anti-abortion..... you certainly have a strange way of promoting the positions and propaganda of the pro-abortion defense.

One must sooth their conscience after voting for an abortionist like obama.

 

[Palatka51]

One must sooth their conscience after voting for an abortionist like obama.

Good point Rev.

They seek to cover their ungodliness when they have as yet come to repentance.

 

[canadyjd]

Look at the people with him in the picture, are you suggesting all of them are mentally ill? Or just the guy who drove the car?

The only picture I saw was of people holding signs that said, "stop the abortion holocaust" and "Jesus, forgive and heal".

Are you suggesting they are mentally ill for carrying signs?

I'm confused by your argument... You're not implying that is the only violence from the pro-life side. Now show me where the other side of the debate has done violence to the pro-lifers?

The argument is simple.

President Obama has instructed people within his administration to demonize and caricature pro-lifers as terrorists, fanatics, and so on.

Based on that fact, Obama has no moral standing to call for the pro-life community to "tone down" their rhetoric when speaking of abortion supporters as murderers and the abortion as a holocaust.

And as far as toning down the rhetoric, I think Obama is right.

As far as toning down the rhetoric, I think Obama is a hypocrite. He is saying one thing while his admistration is doing the very thing he is criticizing.

peace to youraying:

 

[Robert Snow]

Good point Rev.

They seek to cover their ungodliness when they have as yet come to repentance.

Wow! You have knowledge of who and who hasn't repented?

 

[Palatka51]

Wow! You have knowledge of who and who hasn't repented?

Isn't that what Adam did? Besides my knowledge of such things is not the subject of this thread. Obama's run around the abortion issue is. He is covering his non repentance by seeking "common ground" and that is not seeking a turning from the murder of infants, which fruits of repentance would be.

 

[Robert Snow]

Besides my knowledge of such things is not the subject of this thread.

You made the comment, not me.

 

[Palatka51]

You made the comment, not me.

And your comment is totally nonsensical and asinine.

 

[Robert Snow]

And your comment is totally nonsensical and asinine.

Typical response from you.