stilllearning
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Although I can clearly see the 7 dispensations in the Bible, I have discovered that those believers who follow Calvin, strongly object to dispensationalism.
Does anyone know why?
Does anyone know why?
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A question about Calvinism
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Who are you suggesting follows Calvin?
stilllearning
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Hi gb93433
You asked........
If you’re a Calvinist.......your following Calvin. Hence the name.
You asked........
If you’re a Calvinist.......your following Calvin. Hence the name.
No that is not true, it is bad it has that name but we do not follow the doctrines of grace because of Calvin we follow the doctrines of Grace because of Christ. There is no answer to your OP because not one Reformed Christian follows Calvin.
Now the reason some among us do not follow Scofield (If your a dispensationalism you follow Scofield, now does that sound nice?) is that is was an invention in the mid 19th century and is not what historical Christianity even believed in. The historical model for eschatology from the reformation until the mid 19th century was Historicism than futurism came in like a storm.
For myself I do not see dispensationalism in Scripture when taken with a plain reading without putting any modern spin on the reading. I do see the Historcism and even Preterist interpretations though and I myself am a Partial Preterist amillenialist
Now the reason some among us do not follow Scofield (If your a dispensationalism you follow Scofield, now does that sound nice?) is that is was an invention in the mid 19th century and is not what historical Christianity even believed in. The historical model for eschatology from the reformation until the mid 19th century was Historicism than futurism came in like a storm.
For myself I do not see dispensationalism in Scripture when taken with a plain reading without putting any modern spin on the reading. I do see the Historcism and even Preterist interpretations though and I myself am a Partial Preterist amillenialist
Tom Butler
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I am a big adherent of the writings of a guy named Paul. I guess you could say I'm a Paulist. Oh, wait, make that a Johnist.
Dispensationalists do not claim the name of scofield. We do not say we are "scofieldists". But Calvinists do? Which is unscriptural:
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
OldRegular
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Did you find these 7 in a plain text Bible or perchance were you using a Scofield, Ryrie, or MacArthur study Bible? Makes a difference you know.
One's soteriology does not determine one's eschatology, and vice versa. There are dispensational calvinists...and there are covenant arminians.
OldRegular
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Calvinism is the name applied to a doctrine. Obviously there is much bias among Baptists toward the term Calvinism and ignorance about the Doctrines of Grace he espoused, though historically this was the prevailing doctrine among Baptists. I have on a number of occasions suggested that Baptists not use the term Calvinism to define that doctrine rather use the term Doctrines of Grace as Nettles does in his book [By His Grace and for His Glory]. Nettles also discusses the decline in the Doctrines of Grace among Baptists, mainly in the 19th century.
Furthermore, there are certain doctrines that Calvin held that Baptists reject. Be that as it may the doctrines of Calvin are certainly more Biblical than those of Darby/Scofield.
Thinkingstuff
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Didn't Shakespear write "whats in a name?"
stilllearning
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Hi OldRegular
You asked..........
Several years ago, I was looking through a dictionary of theology, and read about them;
And just like what every good Bible student should do, I went to the scripture(in my plain text Bible), and saw that the theory was indeed Biblical.
A while back, I saw a trailer for some stupid “Hollywood movie” about somebody building an ark in New York, because of a coming flood, and I realized how that could never happen in real life, because of all the Government regulations involved. and I remembered this teaching.
The 2nd dispensation, is “called”, “The dispensation of conscience”, and the 3rd is “called”, “the dispensation of human government”.
God called Noah to build the ark, before there was a government around, to stop him.
You asked..........
Good question; And the answer is, “none of the above”.
Several years ago, I was looking through a dictionary of theology, and read about them;
And just like what every good Bible student should do, I went to the scripture(in my plain text Bible), and saw that the theory was indeed Biblical.
A while back, I saw a trailer for some stupid “Hollywood movie” about somebody building an ark in New York, because of a coming flood, and I realized how that could never happen in real life, because of all the Government regulations involved. and I remembered this teaching.
The 2nd dispensation, is “called”, “The dispensation of conscience”, and the 3rd is “called”, “the dispensation of human government”.
God called Noah to build the ark, before there was a government around, to stop him.
stilllearning
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Hi webdog
You said...........
I thought that maybe there was some part of Calvinism, that would force a Calvinist to reject dispensationalism.
You said...........
Thanks for the answer;
I thought that maybe there was some part of Calvinism, that would force a Calvinist to reject dispensationalism.
And calvinists is a term applied to people/
I know. Reformed folks like to be superior and arrogant and think they are the only ones who understand their doctrine.
Delusional. You need to study your history better. Both General and particular baptists have always been side by side.
That would be scripturally appropriate.
I am not a fan of Scofield.
The labeling aside, Calvinists, by and large, hold to covenantal theology. There is a pretty wide gulf theologically between the two positions.
I hold to covenantal theology and am not deeply committed to the Reformed position.
Keep in mind dispensationalism wasn't a theological position until about 150 years ago. Thus it would have been difficult for Calvin to hold to it.
Jesus did not write anything. So what does that make those who follow Him?
I am not sure many of them understand the doctrine they claim to support. They claim to believe in God's sovereignty but not always when pressed.
I keep reading this false statement here on the BB...where did it originate from? A plain reading of SCripture CLEARLY shows different dispensations. You mean there were no believers until the 1850's who were able to see this?Keep in mind dispensationalism wasn't a theological position until about 150 years ago. Thus it would have been difficult for Calvin to hold to it.
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
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