No that's the only way to be saved, there is no other way. Now God being Sovereign can impart faith to even them to salvation
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A question about Calvinism
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I'll repeat: a spiritually dead person is saved by grace through faith. There is no asterisk with "election" under it. That is another dispensation of salvation, and false doctrine.
What does dead mean?
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Being born with a sin nature means we have the nature to sin. How are you missing such simple definitions? We also are born with the nature to walk upright and talk, but I have yet to see a baby take his first step and say "Hi Mr. Doctor, Hi Mom!" immediately out of the womb. The sin nature is the same thing, at some point down the road we will sin, but just like not being created walkers and talkers, we are not created sinners.
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A spiritually dead person can not believe on their own, the dead can do nothing they must be enlivened by God to believe hence He chooses who He will (He elects who He Elects)
If you pass from spiritual death to spiritual life, you have already believed...you don't need to believe. You (and calvinism in general) have the order all wrong.
No, not at all. One still must believe, in regenerating man God allows that to take place. I once believed your heresy too, but thank God He brought me to the truth through His Holy Word
Are you saying that those who aren't Calvinists are heretics?
You are going to have to prove to me through scripture that a baby in the womb has faith. It's not there. You have to put it there in order for your doctrine to work.
Why do you always feel the need to place a personal attack in there somewhere? You do realize my "heresy" is the one accepted by the majority of believers, don't you?
You have no clue what regeneration truly is. Why does a spiritually "alive" person need to believe? It defies any biblical logic or reason.
No, I am saying that those who don't follow the Doctrines of Grace are in heresy but not formal heretics
Yes, the Lord demands belief and repentance from all --- it is a universal command.
You will not find that particular teaching in the Bible. I think you are wresting Romans 12:3 from its context.
"...in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you." This section of Scripture is addressed to believers only.God has not granted everyone a measure of faith as you and many other non-Cals claim.
What do you do with 2 Thess. 3:2 ? It says :"and pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil people, for not everyone has faith."
In Ephesians 2:8,9 faith is said to be given by God as a gift, so "no one can boast." In Romans 12:3 it says "Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought." Those two passages tie in with each other.
God does pass them over. THey have no capacity to repent and believe on their own.
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No I don't, I nor you can tell God what to do. If God so chooses to allow a baby to have faith then the baby will as John the Baptist did. I have to put it no where, in your view God is not sovereign enough to do anything. In ours God is Sovereign period and a Sovereign may do as He wish without any input from His subjects
Then the majority of the church is in heresy.
Why do you continue with the ad hominems? Sovereignty is not decided on what you believe. The notion "elect" fetuses have some different physiology that allows them to have faith is science fiction and NOT biblical. The Bible does NOT say John the Baptist had faith while in the womb, that is eisegesis. The Holy Spirit also worked in a donkey...the donkey had faith?
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Where does the bible say that John the Baptist had "faith" in the womb?
I most certainly do believe in the sovereignty of God. God has obviously chosen to give man the decision to believe or not.
I have never seen a Calvinist be able to explain this verse:
Luke 13:34 (King James Version)
34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
OK - a couple of quick thoughts before I crash on the couch again (not feeling well):
* If one is conceived sinless and they can go to heaven because they have not sinned, then their salvation is based on what they did or did not do - works. It is not through the belief/faith that is a requirement in Scripture but it is based on their not sinning. I do not see this as Scriptural.
* If one is conceived with an original sin, there are two choices - either God "elects" them to salvation as the idea of the doctrine of grace speaks of and gives them the faith in whatever way they need it that they need or else He condemns them to hell justly. He does not ever send anyone to hell unjustly or else He is not God.
The God of Scripture is just, merciful and right. He does not contradict the Word that He gave us. If He sends someone to hell, it's because they deserve hell. Whether WE feel that person deserves hell is not an issue because we're not God. We don't know hearts, we cannot see beyond our knowledge. Saying that a baby is conceived in sin and that he can go to heaven is not against God's character - nor is it against His character to say that he will go to hell. We just honestly don't know the how or why a baby goes to wherever they do when they die.
The bigger issue to us here on earth, rather than arguing about where a baby will go if they die at 8 weeks gestation is what are we doing to spread God's Word? What are we doing to preach the Gospel to everyone we meet? Why are we arguing about something that we have no control over? It's just ridiculous, IMO.
That assertion goes against Scripture, believing on our own would be a work. Salvation is not by works lest any man should boast, if man could believe all by himself then he could boast in his work. So no you don't believe God is truly Sovereign, because if you did you must admit man does nothing as Scripture attest
I don't know why not, it doesn't mean what you want it to mean that is certain. I know the trap here, but what is the overall context and how is Christ speaking here. I can say He was address the leaders here and thier legalism, but they still could not ever stand against God's Will
Hope you are feeling better soon. The kids have been sick for over a week...
If man is conceived in "original sin" there is only one choice...faith in Christ.
This is a false dichotomy. If one is conceived sinless, they are conceived not separated from God already, not having done a thing. There is nothing they did or didn't do to be deemed not separated from God, hence it cannot be a work.
If man is conceived in "original sin" there is only one choice...faith in Christ.
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