The wife is to fear (phobew) her husband (Ephesians 5:33)

[Olivencia]

That was very generous of you to tell your father the facts. Isn't EVERY man the master of his house?

--> According to God yes.
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I can just IMAGINE how that conversation went!!!

--> No need to imagine. It went according to what the Bible expects. Something you should try to clue yourself in on.

 

[annsni]

That was very generous of you to tell your father the facts. Isn't EVERY man the master of his house?

--> According to God yes.

So then why the need to tell him? Why was it difficult? Do you have issues with rebellion with your father?

I can just IMAGINE how that conversation went!!!

--> No need to imagine. It went according to what the Bible expects. Something you should try to clue yourself in on.

Excuse me but that's a very nasty, ungodly response.

 

[Olivencia]

So then why the need to tell him? Why was it difficult? Do you have issues with rebellion with your father?

1. I don't "need" to tell him. I wanted to. A wife does need to tell her husband because the Bible teaches it.
2. It wasn't difficulut. I was being sarchastic. It was so easy. You people make such a big deal that a wife has to say that to her husband when it is not...well not if you have the Holy Spirit and believe the Bible.
3. None that I can think of. I just felt like saying it. My dad and I get along great - true as far back as I can remember.


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I can just IMAGINE how that conversation went!!!

--> No need to imagine. It went according to what the Bible expects. Something you should try to clue yourself in on.

Excuse me but that's a very nasty, ungodly response.

--> Thanks for choosing sides. It isn't nasty when I have told this person over and over again the same thing.....and this same person was the one who accused me of being for the beating of a wife. When pressed on it this person copped out and said it could also mean verbally but when this person made that accusation it was never qualified that way. That is wrong. You know it and I know it. If some one said that guy enjoys beating his wife and never qualified it, it would be understood as physical but no one got on him for it so don't give me that garbage. Ungodly response? Check out Acts 13:10 and that is what this person and anyone denies what all these lexicons are asserting applies to.

 

[annsni]

Check out Acts 13:10 and that is what this person and anyone denies what all these lexicons are asserting applies to.

Acts 13:10 says "and said, "You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?"

So let me understand. You are saying that if someone disagrees with man's lexicon, that he is a son of the devil and an enemy of God? That would make them an unbeliever, wouldn't it? You are saying anyone who disagrees with you is unsaved?

 

[menageriekeeper]

Oooooh, isn't it against the rules to question someone's salvation?

But of course Olivencia isn't doing that! We're arguing with the scriptures not him. Interesting viewpoint he has there isn't it?

 

[saturneptune]

Olivencia,
I have watched your posts since you joined. I do not know if you were beat as a kid by a woman, or what your deal is, but to use Scripture to support a hatred is an outrage. I am no fan of the feminist movement, but I am a fan of mutual love and respect in a marriage, and that should be true of any marriage, in any culture or any religion, even if one ignores the Bible. The Bible takes it to a deeper level in Christ. You do not even meet secular standards.

My opinion, you have no business being married. If I was a woman (which I am not), and was married to you (which would never happen), and you told me the garbage you have been posting, this is where you would spend your nights.

 

[Olivencia]

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Originally Posted by Olivencia
Check out Acts 13:10 and that is what this person and anyone denies what all these lexicons are asserting applies to.

Acts 13:10 says "and said, "You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?"

So let me understand. You are saying that if someone disagrees with man's lexicon, that he is a son of the devil and an enemy of God? That would make them an unbeliever, wouldn't it? You are saying anyone who disagrees with you is unsaved?

--> No, three lexicons not lexicon while they supply none of their own (opinion) AND they accuse me of supporting the beating of a wife when they have no proof for it. That is a false accusation then they don't aplogize. He is acting like he is unsaved. Whether he is or not is between him and God.
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Oooooh, isn't it against the rules to question someone's salvation?

--> I'm not questioning it. I said he is acting like it.
At least I clarify my words when pressed unlike him.
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Olivencia,
I have watched your posts since you joined. I do not know if you were beat as a kid by a woman, or what your deal is, but to use Scripture to support a hatred is an outrage.

--> Hatred? I have cited several New Testament Greek lexicons. I guess that they ought to be classified as books of hate

My opinion, you have no business being married. If I was a woman (which I am not), and was married to you (which would never happen), and you told me the garbage you have been posting, this is where you would spend your nights.

--> Thanks for letting me know what you think about what God loves and commands.

 

[saturneptune]

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--> Thanks for letting me know what you think about what God loves and commands.

You are quite welcome. What I did is let you know what I think about your warped ideas of marriage and how to treat a woman. How I live my life and follow God's commands concerning marriage is between me, my wife, and the Lord. It certainly does not come from your inability to understand the marriage model in Scripture.

 

[Olivencia]

Thank you for your opinion that is devoid of the facts......next

 

[annsni]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivencia
Check out Acts 13:10 and that is what this person and anyone denies what all these lexicons are asserting applies to.

Acts 13:10 says "and said, "You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?"

So let me understand. You are saying that if someone disagrees with man's lexicon, that he is a son of the devil and an enemy of God? That would make them an unbeliever, wouldn't it? You are saying anyone who disagrees with you is unsaved?

--> No, three lexicons not lexicon while they supply none of their own (opinion) AND they accuse me of supporting the beating of a wife when they have no proof for it. That is a false accusation then they don't aplogize. He is acting like he is unsaved. Whether he is or not is between him and God.

I'm sorry but you said that Acts 13:10 applies to anyone who denies what the lexicons are saying. Acts 13:10 is speaking to unbelievers. You questioned the salvation of a fellow board member.

I'm really getting tired of reporting your posts.

 

[Olivencia]

Acts 13:10 does speak to unbelievers. That AND they made a vicious accuation against me.
No, I clarified my words so stop looking for yet another escape for your disobedience.
You have no support from any Greek lexicons. You argue and argue with just your garbage opinion.

I'm really getting tired of reporting your posts.



BYE

 

[sag38]

Olivencia, talk about being disgusting. That post was far from being nice in any form. You owe Ann an apology.

 

[saturneptune]

Olivencia, talk about being disgusting. That post was far from being nice in any form. You owe Ann an apology.[/quote]
I reported this post, I think the first one in three years. That was about the worst name I have seen here. This has been going on since he joined.

 

[annsni]

Sigh - True colors come through in disagreeable times, don't they?

 

[annsni]

Acts 13:10 does speak to unbelievers. That AND they made a vicious accuation against me.
No, I clarified my words so stop looking for yet another escape for your disobedience.
You have no support from any Greek lexicons. You argue and argue with just your garbage opinion.

So you admit that you accused a BB member of being an unbeliever.

My "garbage opinion" is an opinion from the Holy Spirit teaching me. I'm sorry if you disagree with that but being angry, hostile and unbelievably rude is not the answer.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Quote:
I can just IMAGINE how that conversation went!!!

--> No need to imagine. It went according to what the Bible expects. Something you should try to clue yourself in on.

Excuse me but that's a very nasty, ungodly response.

--> Thanks for choosing sides. It isn't nasty when I have told this person over and over again the same thing.....and this same person was the one who accused me of being for the beating of a wife. When pressed on it this person copped out and said it could also mean verbally but when this person made that accusation it was never qualified that way. That is wrong. You know it and I know it. If some one said that guy enjoys beating his wife and never qualified it, it would be understood as physical but no one got on him for it so don't give me that garbage. Ungodly response? Check out Acts 13:10 and that is what this person and anyone denies what all these lexicons are asserting applies to.

Olivencia, I NEVER accused you of physically beating your wife.

My direct words from post #6 on the "Marriage Preparation" (what a misnomer!) thread were-

You have a lot to learn. And FYI I am a happily married (soon to be 30 years) man. You are an embarrassment to the species.

Biblically, women are not to be beat into submission but loved into it.

As anyone who knows how to use a lexicon should understand, "beat" does not automatically mean physical. I stand by what I said. And judging from your words to others on this matter- I would say that my assessment of you is not off the mark.

I pity you. And as I typed this I asked the Lord to have mercy upon you and open your eyes to His grace and mercy.

 

[rbell]

Ann, I have a feeling that were you not a woman, your posts would not be met with such venom from Olivencia. Nowhere close.

Methinks someone on this board has issues with women. Sad.

 

[HankD]

Ephesians 5:33 "phobew"
1. Kittel: ...fear can denote the obedience demanded by the superior authority of masters or husbands as lords. "Certainly these are to expect love from their husbands rather than anger (Eph. 5:25, 28, 33) and yet they are still to fear in subordination, for they owe this to their exemplary walk (1 Pt. 3:2) or to their husbands ws tw kuriw (Eph. 5:22, cf. 33) (TDNT 9:217, phobew).
2. Danker - to have a profound measure of respect for, (have) reverence, respect, w. special ref. to fear of offending (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, phobew, 1061).
3. Vine: (b) to show reverential fear (1) ...Eph. 5:33 (Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, fear - phobew, page 415).

So? phobeo does not usually contain "terror" as a nuance.

In fact phoboe usually needs an adverb or adjective (for the noun form) to approach anything related to "terror".

Luke 2:9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.​

Rather than a lexicon (which has it's place) compare Scripture with Scripture.

IMO The following passage is an illustration of the kind of phobos a wife should give her husband:

NKJ Mark 6:20 for Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just and holy man, and he protected him. And when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.​

The result of Herod's "phobeo" towards John the Baptist: he "protected him" and "heard him gladly".​

Why wouldn't a woman have this phobos for her husband if he is a just and holy man? The result: She would hear him gladly and protect his name and reputation.​

On the otherhand there is IMO this spirit of antichrist in the feminist movement.
It's focus is to engender contempt of maleness.
Its goal: the demasculinization of men.
All this under the cloak of the "liberation" of women.

In reality, it's purpose is to blaspheme God by undermining His spiritual requirements of marriage and the traditional family.

Yes, the feminist movemement blends into it's agenda a few issues which indeed have a need to be addressed. The rest is from the evil one.

My opinion, of course.

HankD

 

[Mexdeaf]

On the otherhand there is IMO this spirit of antichrist in the feminist movement.
It's focus is to engender contempt of maleness.
Its goal: the demasculinization of men.
All this under the cloak of the "liberation" of women.

In reality, it's purpose is to blaspheme God by undermining His spiritual requirements of marriage and the traditional family.

Yes, the feminist movement blends into it's agenda a few issues which indeed have a need to be addressed. The rest is from the evil one.

My opinion, of course.

HankD

Hank,

Lest there be any misunderstanding, I doubt anyone here is advocating the feminist movement.

I personally am advocating for a BALANCED BIBLICAL VIEWPOINT of what constitutes a relationship between a husband and wife.

 

[HankD]

Hank,

Lest there be any misunderstanding, I doubt anyone here is advocating the feminist movement.

I personally am advocating for a BALANCED BIBLICAL VIEWPOINT of what constitutes a relationship between a husband and wife.

Oh, I know that Mex. IMO the subject of "feminism" (so-called) is directly related to the O/P.

I am making the point that the "feminist" movement (although it makes no woman more feminine) is an issue we need to deal with both in and out of the sphere of influence of the churches.

Although we may not advocate it's agenda we need to be aware that it's influence may "creep in" unawares as do many other agendi of this world's evil system.

Perhaps Olivencia has seen this and has gone overboard and misplaced his response by "preaching" (or whatever) to the choir.


HankD