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Any One believe in a General Atonement around here?

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Dale-c

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Of course. That belief is still the predominant Baptist belief.
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You would be suprised to see how many are claiming universal atonement actually.

There was a former member here who said every single sin was paid for and that the only reason anyone went to hell was for their choice, not their sin.
 
webdog

webdog

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Dale-c said:
You would be suprised to see how many are claiming universal atonement actually.

There was a former member here who said every single sin was paid for and that the only reason anyone went to hell was for their choice, not their sin.
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That's what John 3:18 says. All sin is paid for by Christ's death.
 
ReformedBaptist

ReformedBaptist

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Rippon said:
What follows is a snip of a sermon by Charles H.Spurgeon on Particular Redemption.

Now, who is it that limits the death of Christ? Why, you. You say that Christ did not die so as to infallibly secure the salvation of anybody. We beg your pardon, when you say we limit Christ's death; we say, "No, my dear sir, it is you that do it." We say Christ so died that He infallibly secured the salvation of a multitude that no man can number, who through Christ's death not only may be saved but are saved, must be saved, and cannot by any possibility run the hazard of being anything but saved. You are welcome to your atonement; you may keep it. We will never renounce ours for the sake of it.
Now,beloved, when you hear any one laughing or jeering at a limited atonement, you may tell him this. General atonement is like a great wide bridge with only half an arch; it does not go across the stream: it only professes to go half way; it does not secure the salvation of anybody. Now, I had rather put my foot upon a bridge as narrow as Hungerford, which went all the way across, than on a bridge that was as wide as the world, if it did not go all the way across the stream.
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I always enjoy Spurgeon's illustrations. Great quote.
 
ReformedBaptist

ReformedBaptist

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Dale-c said:
You would be suprised to see how many are claiming universal atonement actually.

There was a former member here who said every single sin was paid for and that the only reason anyone went to hell was for their choice, not their sin.
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Thankfully, there are many inconsistent Christians holding a incoherant theology. :laugh: In other words, they understand that Christ actually accomplished redemption for His people, they just want to make God an equal opportunity employer who is hiring volunteers.
 
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webdog

webdog

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ReformedBaptist said:
Thankfully, there are many inconsistent Christians holding a incoherant theology. :laugh: In other words, they understand that Christ actually accomplished redemption for His people, they just want to make God an equal opportunity employer who is hiring volunteers.
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John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
 
ReformedBaptist

ReformedBaptist

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webdog said:
John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
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Web,

Not going to rehash this with you. So I'll just fire back another Scripture. lol

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you." John 10:26
 
webdog

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ReformedBaptist said:
Web,

Not going to rehash this with you. So I'll just fire back another Scripture. lol

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you." John 10:26
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How is this relevant to the atonement? Mine is...yours is quite lacking.
 
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Lux et veritas

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webdog said:
I know...world doesn't mean world, and John must have misspoke what he actually meant. Gotcha...
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Nope. John never misspoke at all. You have misunderstood. Like this verse in John 12:19....

The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.

Every single person on the face of the planet was following Jesus at that time. Gotcha...
 
webdog

webdog

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Lux et veritas said:
Nope. John never misspoke at all. You have misunderstood. Like this verse in John 12:19....

The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.

Every single person on the face of the planet was following Jesus at that time. Gotcha...
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Context rules...mine was in context, yours was not.
 
JDale

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Marcia said:
You forgot Christian Universalism, also known as Universal Reconciliation, the view that Christ's death atoned for the sins of everyone and though some will die without believing Christ, they will have another chance and eventually all will believe in Him, including Satan and the fallen angels.

So this view, differing from Universal Atonement (which does not require belief in Christ), does require belief in Christ but states that all will believe, even after death.

This view is purportedly the view of Wm P Young, the author of The Shack, according to a good friend of his. See
http://theshackreview.com/content/SpurgeonFellowshipJournal.pdf
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Well, then, that's...Heresy...
 
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