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Carico

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I'm so glad someone showed me the errors in the bible so now I can re-write it according to Arminians.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "for it is by your own righteousness that you are saved, through faith, this from yourselves, so that you can boast.":laugh:

1 Corinthians 2:14, "Everyone can understand God, but some people choose to resist God because they prefer hell over heaven." :laugh:

John 6:63-65, "Judas chose to betray me even though God drew him. But he was powerful enough to resist God's call and chose to go to hell instead.":laugh:

Romans 8:20 "for the creation was subjected to frustration by its own choice so it can choose to be liberated by its own choice as well."

The above is the gospel of the Arminians which is the gospel of Satan because it's based on pride, not humility. It's not only changing the bible into the opposite of what it says to satisfy their own pride, it's blatant heresy. :rolleyes:
 
ReformedBaptist

ReformedBaptist

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Carico said:
I'm so glad someone showed me the errors in the bible so now I can re-write it according to Arminians.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "for it is by your won righteousness that you are saved, through faith, this from yourselves, so that you can boast.":smilewinkgrin:

1 Corinthians 2:14, "everyone can understand God, but some people choose to resist God because they prefer hell over heaven." :laugh:

John 6:63-65, "Judas chose to betray me even though God drew him. But he was powerful enough to resist God's call and chose to go to hell instead.":laugh:

Romans 8:20 "for the creation was subjected to frustration by its own choice so it can choose to be liberated by its own choice as well."

The above is the gospel of the Arminians which is the gospel of Satan because it's based on pride, not humility.
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That amounts to calling the beliefs of modern Arminians so false that they are not saved. I imagine there are some Arminians who are not saved, and some who hold Calvinist views that are not saved, but we must not demonize our brethren in Christ and conlude that if they hold an Arminian viewpoint they are automatically not saved.
 
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Winman

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Nice. Very gracious.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Notice that this verse first shows that a man is called to come by the Holy Spirit. I believe that. I do not believe man can come to God unless drawn just as you do. Where we differ is that I believe man has free will and can accept God's free offer or refuse it. And what does Revelations 22:17 say?

It says "whosever will". This is speaking to any and all men. No one is excluded. And it shows it is a matter of the will. It shows that any man can make this choice.

And then what does it say? "Let him take of the water of life freely"

You Calvinists get offended if man plays in part in salvation, but God does not seem to be offended by this. He invites man to "take" of the water of life freely. It was God who said "take", not me.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

It is the same thing here. First Jesus comes to us and knocks on our door. So again I agree with you that all that are saved were drawn or called by God.

But here Jesus says we must open the door. I don't know how you ignore scriptures like this. If you want to listen to men who say it is sinful for man to think he plays in part in salvation you can, but Jesus says only you can open the door. He will not force it open. He will not come in unless you invite him in. But he has promised if you do open the door that he will come in.

So, God is not offended if we take of the water of life, and he is not offended if we open the door to Jesus. So why are you so offended?

Gotta go, look for your answer tomorrow.
 
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Carico

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Lord, I thank thee I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have, they might all have been saved.
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You have power, huh? "He who exalts himself will be humbled." Indeed. Let's see if you can alter what God planned in advance for you to do as He tells us in Ephesians 2:10. Since you claim you can resist God, I bet you can do anything not determined by God. Maybe I should worship you instead. I bet you'd like that. :smilewinkgrin: So since you claim to have so much power, then what do you need a savior for?
 
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ReformedBaptist

ReformedBaptist

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Winman said:
Nice. Very gracious.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Notice that this verse first shows that a man is called to come by the Holy Spirit. I believe that. I do not believe man can come to God unless drawn just as you do. Where we differ is that I believe man has free will and can accept God's free offer or refuse it. And what does Revelations 22:17 say?

It says "whosever will". This is speaking to any and all men. No one is excluded. And it shows it is a matter of the will. It shows that any man can make this choice.

And then what does it say? "Let him take of the water of life freely"

You Calvinists get offended if man plays in part in salvation, but God does not seem to be offended by this. He invites man to "take" of the water of life freely. It was God who said "take", not me.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

It is the same thing here. First Jesus comes to us and knocks on our door. So again I agree with you that all that are saved were drawn or called by God.

But here Jesus says we must open the door. I don't know how you ignore scriptures like this. If you want to listen to men who say it is sinful for man to think he plays in part in salvation you can, but Jesus says only you can open the door. He will not force it open. He will not come in unless you invite him in. But he has promised if you do open the door that he will come in.

So, God is not offended if we take of the water of life, and he is not offended if we open the door to Jesus. So why are you so offended?

Gotta go, look for you answer tomorrow.
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You assume I am offended, why I don't know. Why do you keep changing the subject. We were discussing Romans 9. Why are we now to discuss other Scripture and speak of God's general call/invitation(s)?

I am concluding that your not able or willing to respond to previous posts.

Please, let us finish our previous discussion before moving on to new ones.
 
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ReformedBaptist

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You have power, huh? "He who exalts himself will be humbled." Indeed. Let's see if you can alter what God planned in advance for you to do as He tells us in Ephesians 2:10. Since you claim to resists God, I bet you can do anything not determined by God. Maybe i should worship you instead. I bet you'd like that. :smilewinkgrin: So since you claim to have so much power, then what do you need a savior for?
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Are you responding to the quote, or are you thinking that I am Arminian like Spurgeon is talking about?
 
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Carico

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ReformedBaptist said:
Are you responding to the quote, or are you thinking that I am Arminian like Spurgeon is talking about?
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I'm responding to the quote. Romans 13:1 says that God establishes the authorities and rulers in the world. So how do you think those he has established can come to power if God is not making it happen? Just lucky?:laugh: Whew, God sure lucks out a lot that man's will just happens to coincide with His plans.
 
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Carico

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Winman said:
Nice. Very gracious.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Notice that this verse first shows that a man is called to come by the Holy Spirit. I believe that. I do not believe man can come to God unless drawn just as you do. Where we differ is that I believe man has free will and can accept God's free offer or refuse it. And what does Revelations 22:17 say?

It says "whosever will". This is speaking to any and all men. No one is excluded. And it shows it is a matter of the will. It shows that any man can make this choice.

And then what does it say? "Let him take of the water of life freely"

You Calvinists get offended if man plays in part in salvation, but God does not seem to be offended by this. He invites man to "take" of the water of life freely. It was God who said "take", not me.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

It is the same thing here. First Jesus comes to us and knocks on our door. So again I agree with you that all that are saved were drawn or called by God.

But here Jesus says we must open the door. I don't know how you ignore scriptures like this. If you want to listen to men who say it is sinful for man to think he plays in part in salvation you can, but Jesus says only you can open the door. He will not force it open. He will not come in unless you invite him in. But he has promised if you do open the door that he will come in.

So, God is not offended if we take of the water of life, and he is not offended if we open the door to Jesus. So why are you so offended?

Gotta go, look for your answer tomorrow.
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And who leads us to open the door?

1) Satan
2) our sinful nature?
3) the Holy Spirit?

I'll give you a hint; it's not the first 2. :smilewinkgrin: The first 2 resist God. But God's Spirit is much more powerful than the first 2. That's why the whole bible says that we can do nothing good without the Holy Spirit. So no, man does not have the free will to lead him out of sin which is precisely why we need a savior. :thumbs:
 
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Wimman, don't waste your time. I think Carico is a calvinist robot with the same responses programmed regardless how foolish and wrong they are. We're all reprobates as well since we don't follow the TULIP according to him...he shouldn't be casting his pearls amongst us swine, anyway :rolleyes:
 
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Carico

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webdog said:
Wimman, don't waste your time. I think Carico is a calvinist robot with the same responses programmed regardless how foolish and wrong they are. We're all reprobates as well since we don't follow the TULIP according to him...he shouldn't be casting his pearls amongst us swine, anyway :rolleyes:
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We are God's instruments that he uses for His purposes. An instrument has no power over its owner and master. Only the sinful nature resists being used as an instrument of God. And there are many people on this forum who are ruled by the sinful nature rather than by the Holy Spirit because they resist surrender to God. The sinful nature doesn't want to be an instrument of God, it wants to rebel against being God's instrument.
 
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ReformedBaptist

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webdog said:
Wimman, don't waste your time. I think Carico is a calvinist robot with the same responses programmed regardless how foolish and wrong they are. We're all reprobates as well since we don't follow the TULIP according to him...he shouldn't be casting his pearls amongst us swine, anyway :rolleyes:
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Why do you hate carico?
 
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webdog

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ReformedBaptist said:
Your words were very hateful to him. So, what is it that you have against him?
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They weren't hateful, no more hateful than yours (remember the little gossip session with Rippon yesterday?)...so what do you have against me?

He has been called out (even by you...in this own thread) about his false doctrine that only calvinists are true believers. It's sickening.
 
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Carico

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webdog said:
They weren't hateful, no more hateful than yours (remember the little gossip session with Rippon yesterday?)...so what do you have against me?

He has been called out (even by you...in this own thread) about his false doctrine that only calvinists are true believers. It's sickening.
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1 Corinthians 11;19, "No doubt there have to be divisions among you to show which of you has God's approval."

Do you believe that? Or not?:confused:

God is not divided. So he will not tell one person one thing and one person the opposite because God is not a liar. It's people who tell the truth and who tell falsehoods. So one group is telling the truth and the other group is passing along a false teaching. It's that simple.

But we're not allowed to expose false teachers here so the feelings of false teachers won't be hurt. Instead, we're supposed to believe that the divisions here exist because we worship a divided God. That way we humans can all be right and it's God who's divided. Of course that's blasphemy. But who cares if God is blasphemed as long as we don't hurt each other's pride. But God always gets unfair treatment from the human sinful nature.
 
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ReformedBaptist

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webdog said:
They weren't hateful, no more hateful than yours (remember the little gossip session with Rippon yesterday?)...so what do you have against me?

He has been called out (even by you...in this own thread) about his false doctrine that only calvinists are true believers. It's sickening.
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Please don't associate myself with you against my brother in Christ.

I have never entered into gossip against you.

I have nothing against you except that you treat your brethren in Christ with hate, disdain, and disrespect.
 
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