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Young white men

Skandelon

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I recently heard a statistic in a speech that I'm trying to locate the source for, but it was about the current Calvinistic resurgence in the US being made up of a large number of young white men. It seems like it was more than 70% of those in this "resurgence" were young white men.

Does anyone know of this stat? Or have comment about it? Do you think its accurate and why?
 

canadyjd

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I recently heard a statistic in a speech that I'm trying to locate the source for, but it was about the current Calvinistic resurgence in the US being made up of a large number of young white men. It seems like it was more than 70% of those in this "resurgence" were young white men.

Does anyone know of this stat? Or have comment about it? Do you think its accurate and why?
I haven't heard it before.

No way to tell if it's accurate until the source is found and looked at carefully.

No reason to comment on it until the source is found and looked at carefully. Everything would be pure speculation.

peace to you:praying:
 

kyredneck

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From the article:

“...a resurgence of Reformed theology among young people. You can't miss the trend at some of the leading evangelical seminaries, like Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, which reports a significant Reformed uptick among students over the past 20 years. Or the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, now the largest Southern Baptist seminary and a Reformed hotbed.....”

Glory Hallelujah! Maybe there's hope yet!

“....it is Calvin's followers who produced the famous acrostic TULIP to describe the "doctrines of grace" that are the hallmarks of traditional Reformed theology: Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the saints......”

The 5 points of TULIP were developed in response to Arminius's 5 points of disagreement with the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

“.....While the Emergent "conversation" gets a lot of press for its appeal to the young, the new Reformed movement may be a larger and more pervasive phenomenon. It certainly has a much stronger institutional base.....”

Praise the Lord! Maybe He will revive us again. :)

Again, as the results of the Synergist/Monergist poll really surprised me, this catches me off guard also. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. There could be absolutely no harm to come from "touting the benefits of in-depth biblical doctrine" as stated in the article.

Thanks for sharing Skandy and Winman. :)
 
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Aaron

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I recently heard a statistic in a speech that I'm trying to locate the source for, but it was about the current Calvinistic resurgence in the US being made up of a large number of young white men. It seems like it was more than 70% of those in this "resurgence" were young white men.

Does anyone know of this stat? Or have comment about it? Do you think its accurate and why?
I'm sure it will confirm what we all secretly think of black people.
 

kyredneck

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......It seems like it was more than 70% of those in this "resurgence" were young white men.

Does anyone know of this stat? Or have comment about it? Do you think its accurate and why?

I didn't see that statistic given in this article.

No comment, but questions. What is your point? So what if 70% are young white men? Is there something inherently wrong or sinister with that?
 

Skandelon

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I didn't see that statistic given in this article.

No comment, but questions. What is your point? So what if 70% are young white men? Is there something inherently wrong or sinister with that?
No, I just wanted to find it so I could use it for some research work I'm doing on the subject. However, I guess if I really wanted to I could warn people to be leery of any doctrine that only seems to appeal to a particular gender or socio-economic class or especially young people, who are more prone to be influenced by false teachings....but I don't want to do that :wavey:
 

canadyjd

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...However, I guess if I really wanted to I could warn people to be leery of any doctrine that only seems to appeal to a particular gender or socio-economic class or especially young people, who are more prone to be influenced by false teachings....but I don't want to do that
But since you can't find the source, I guess you won't be able to do that since it wouldn't be appropriate.

It might be appropriate, however, to warn people to be leery of "researchers" who use one-sided and biased opinions of an issue that will distort the truth in an effort to reach pre-determined conclusions and promote a hate-filled agenda with an unChristlike attitude...of yeh, and promotes false doctrines too.

I guess I won't do that since it might not be appropriate.:wavey:

peace to you:praying:
 

Skandelon

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But since you can't find the source, I guess you won't be able to do that since it wouldn't be appropriate.

It might be appropriate, however, to warn people to be leery of "researchers" who use one-sided and biased opinions of an issue that will distort the truth in an effort to reach pre-determined conclusions and promote a hate-filled agenda with an unChristlike attitude...of yeh, and promotes false doctrines too.

I guess I won't do that since it might not be appropriate.:wavey:

peace to you:praying:
I'm glad you didn't do that, because then I would be forced remind you that if Calvinism is true the "pre-determined conclusions" those researchers came to were "unchangeably ordain to come to pass" by God, and they really had no ability to willingly do otherwise. :laugh:
 

canadyjd

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This is a very interesting article on the subject.

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=27181
From the article:
Additionally, the study found that Calvinistic recent graduates report that they conduct personal evangelism at a slightly higher rate than their non-Calvinistic peers.....

....Drace told the group he currently is working with some young pastors who are "so leaning in this morphed Calvinism that they almost laugh at evangelism. It's almost to the extent that they believe they don't have to do it. So [Calvinism] gives them an excuse not to do evangelism."
Strange how the people holding the "event" give antidotal evidence that is contrary to the findings of the study.... and promotes a stereo-type of calvinism that is rejected by almost every refomed minded pastor.

peace to you:praying:
 

canadyjd

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I'm glad you didn't do that, because then I would be forced remind you that if Calvinism is true the "pre-determined conclusions" those researchers came to were "unchangeably ordain to come to pass" by God, and they really had no ability to willingly do otherwise. :laugh:
:laugh:

peace to you:praying:
 

kyredneck

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....Strange how the people holding the "event" give antidotal evidence that is contrary to the findings of the study.... and promotes a stereo-type.....

Just like your typical Liberal.

Oh, the hidden things of shame, craftiness, and deceit. It will get you no where in the long run. :)
 

Winman

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Additionally, the study found that Calvinistic recent graduates report that they conduct personal evangelism at a slightly higher rate than their non-Calvinistic peers.....

....Drace told the group he currently is working with some young pastors who are "so leaning in this morphed Calvinism that they almost laugh at evangelism. It's almost to the extent that they believe they don't have to do it. So [Calvinism] gives them an excuse not to do evangelism."

These are not contradictory statements. The first statement is reporting the statements of recent graduates, the second statement is the observations of Drace.
 

kyredneck

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.....the second statement is the observations of Drace.

Drace:
"...It's almost to the extent that they believe they don't have to do it. So [Calvinism] gives them an excuse not to do evangelism."

If that's not a biased, leading statement, then I don't know one. And, as canadyjd brought out, it IS contrary to the reports. Is Drace a mind reader?
 

rsr

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It would not at all surprise me if the 70 percent figure is correct.

The resurgence is occurring predominantly among traditionally white denominations whose pastors are overwhelmingly men, and it is among recent seminary grads that the impetus is strongest.
 

Winman

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I found this article that addresses the issue of why Calvinism appeals to young people especially. It is quite long, 5 pages, but very interesting and informative.

Who would Jesus smack down?
By Molly Worthen
Published: Monday, January 12, 2009

Who would Jesus smack down?

... Mark Driscoll is American evangelicalism's bête noire. In little more than a decade, his ministry has grown from a living-room Bible study to a megachurch that draws about 7,600 visitors to seven campuses around Seattle each Sunday, and his books, blogs and podcasts have made him one of the most admired — and reviled — figures among evangelicals nationwide. Conservatives call Driscoll "the cussing pastor" and wish that he'd trade in his fashionably distressed jeans and taste for indie rock for a suit and tie and placid choral arrangements. Liberals wince at his hellfire theology and insistence that women submit to their husbands. But what is new about Driscoll is that he has resurrected a particular strain of fire and brimstone, one that most Americans assume died out with the Puritans: Calvinism, a theology that makes Pat Robertson seem warm and fuzzy.

At a time when the once-vaunted unity of the religious right has eroded and the mainstream media is proclaiming an "evangelical crackup," Driscoll represents a movement to revamp the style and substance of evangelicalism. With his taste for vintage baseball caps and omnipresence on Facebook and iTunes, Driscoll, who is 38, is on the cutting edge of American pop culture. Yet his message seems radically unfashionable, even un-American: you are not captain of your soul or master of your fate but a depraved worm whose hard work and good deeds will get you nowhere, because God marked you for heaven or condemned you to hell before the beginning of time. Yet a significant number of young people in Seattle — and nationwide — say this is exactly what they want to hear. Calvinism has somehow become cool, and just as startling, this generally bookish creed has fused with a macho ethos. At Mars Hill, members say their favorite movie isn't "Amazing Grace" or "The Chronicles of Narnia" — it's "Fight Club."

Mars Hill Church is the furthest thing from a Puritan meetinghouse. This is Seattle, and Mars Hill epitomizes the city that spawned it. Headquartered in a converted marine supply store, the church is a boxy gray building near the diesel-infused din of the Ballard Bridge. In the lobby one Sunday not long ago, college kids in jeans — some sporting nose rings or kitchen-sink dye jobs — lounged on ottomans and thumbed text messages to their friends. The front desk, black and slick, looked as if it ought to offer lattes rather than Bibles and membership pamphlets. Buzz-cut and tattooed security guards mumbled into their headpieces and directed the crowd toward the auditorium, where the worship band was warming up for an hour of hymns with Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run."
Moderator's note: To prevent copyright violation, I have linked to the remainder of the article at the New York Times Web site:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/magazine/11punk-t.html
 
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blackbird

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It would not at all surprise me if the 70 percent figure is correct.

The resurgence is occurring predominantly among traditionally white denominations whose pastors are overwhelmingly men, and it is among recent seminary grads that the impetus is strongest.

In the yrs I attended NOBTS the so called "Calvinists" met behind locked doors to do their group Bible studies---I never figured why they had to lock the doors---I suppose they were afraid of Dr. Leavell or Dr. Stewart catchin' them!! It was always rumored that anyone at NOBTS caught studying Calvin was banned from school----but I never heard of anyone being caught!! Reported--yes---but never caught!!!
 

kyredneck

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So what's your insidious insinuation Winman, that today's resurgence of Sovereign Grace Theology is summed up in this Mars Hill 'church' from the 'Left Coast'? Just how many far left whacko 'churches' of the Arminian persuasion do you think there have been in the past? Far, far, more than in the Calvinist camp, I guarantee you.

Sometimes your tactics are downright sickening Winman.
 
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