Your View On The Roman Catholics

[Johnv]

So there is one Christian who attends the Catholic church. I know he is saved from his fruit.

Careful, you're now going to be accused of "defensing catholicism". We obviously have numerous criticisms of Catholcism, but it's so incredibly obvious that Baptist4Life is wrong, that lots of people see it, except for him.

 

[Baptist4life]

Careful, you're now going to be accused of "defensing catholicism". We obviously have numerous criticisms of Catholcism, but it's so incredibly obvious that Baptist4Life is wrong, that lots of people see it, except for him.

I'll post what DHK posted in another thread. Apparently, thank God, there are others who agree with me.

If Lori is a true believer then she cannot be a Catholic.
You cannot be both and believe both systems at the same time. It is an impossibility, just as you cannot be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time, or a Hindu and a Christian at the same time. When you become a Christian you forsake your former religion. I did. I had to. The doctrines of both: the RCC and Christianity at extreme opposites of each other. By default of some of their beliefs they don't believe that Christ died for their sins. You see, their Catechism is contradictory.

Christianity teaches that Christ atoned for all our sins.
The RCC teaches that they must atone for their sins in Purgatory; Christ did not pay the full atonement. His sacrifice was in vain. Else why would their be a need for Purgatory where further "purging" would be necessary.

Christianity teaches that salvation is by grace through faith.
The RCC teaches that salvation is by works. Baptism is a work. Keeping the ten commandments is works. Confirmation is a work. All of the sacraments are works. These are what save a person in the RCC, especially baptism and the sacraments. There is no salvation outside of them. Thus salvation is by works not by grace; not by faith.
They cannot understand this simple Scripture:

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
--nor this one:

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Christianity teaches that the Bible is our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.
The RCC teaches that the Bible + Tradition + Papal Decrees + many other things are their authority. The Bible is not their authority. In fact the Biblical doctrine of "sola scriptura" is a doctrine that is hated among the Catholics.

Christianity teaches that salvation is through Christ alone.
The RCC teaches that salvation is through Christ and Mary, and possibly more than that.
They treat Mary as another god. The pray to her; petition her; venerate her; worship her, etc. To them she is God, though they will not admit it. The Bible describes Mary, as the RCC treats her as a god. This is idolatry. It is also polytheism.

These are only some of the extremes. There are more than this.
You cannot believe what the RCC teaches and believe what Christianity teaches at the same time. You must choose one or the other. You cannot be both.

 

[Baptist4life]

BTW, you never answered this.

How can you seriously believe that a practicing (that means believing and following) member of the RCC is a Christian?

 

[Johnv]

BTW, you never answered this.

It's a loaded question, based on a presupposition of yours, which others do not share. The crux of what you're asking has been more than adequaely answered. You'll disagree, of course.

 

[Baptist4life]

It's a loaded question, based on a presupposition of yours, which others do not share.

Apparently they do. Did you read this? Slowly?

Originally Posted by DHK View Post
If Lori is a true believer then she cannot be a Catholic.
You cannot be both and believe both systems at the same time. It is an impossibility, just as you cannot be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time, or a Hindu and a Christian at the same time. When you become a Christian you forsake your former religion. I did. I had to. The doctrines of both: the RCC and Christianity at extreme opposites of each other. By default of some of their beliefs they don't believe that Christ died for their sins. You see, their Catechism is contradictory.

Christianity teaches that Christ atoned for all our sins.
The RCC teaches that they must atone for their sins in Purgatory; Christ did not pay the full atonement. His sacrifice was in vain. Else why would their be a need for Purgatory where further "purging" would be necessary.

Christianity teaches that salvation is by grace through faith.
The RCC teaches that salvation is by works. Baptism is a work. Keeping the ten commandments is works. Confirmation is a work. All of the sacraments are works. These are what save a person in the RCC, especially baptism and the sacraments. There is no salvation outside of them. Thus salvation is by works not by grace; not by faith.
They cannot understand this simple Scripture:

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
--nor this one:

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Christianity teaches that the Bible is our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.
The RCC teaches that the Bible + Tradition + Papal Decrees + many other things are their authority. The Bible is not their authority. In fact the Biblical doctrine of "sola scriptura" is a doctrine that is hated among the Catholics.

Christianity teaches that salvation is through Christ alone.
The RCC teaches that salvation is through Christ and Mary, and possibly more than that.
They treat Mary as another god. The pray to her; petition her; venerate her; worship her, etc. To them she is God, though they will not admit it. The Bible describes Mary, as the RCC treats her as a god. This is idolatry. It is also polytheism.

These are only some of the extremes. There are more than this.
You cannot believe what the RCC teaches and believe what Christianity teaches at the same time. You must choose one or the other. You cannot be both.

 

[Baptist4life]

It's a loaded question, based on a presupposition of yours, which others do not share. The crux of what you're asking has been more than adequaely answered. You'll disagree, of course.

It's not a loaded question, BTW. It just seems to be one you cannot answer. I'll ask it again.

How can you seriously believe that a practicing (that means believing and following) member of the RCC is a Christian?

 

[preachinjesus]

What a terribly predictable, sad thread. It is a study in dogmatic entrenchment.

 

[Peggy]

Baptist4Life simply displays a lack of charity and goodwill towards those who do not share his beliefs.

Catholics are Christian. They believe that Jesus Christ came to earth, lived, died and rose again in atonement for their sins. Just like you.

Faith alone, though, isn't good enough for Baptist4Life. Apparently it is faith plus "believing exactly the same things I believe".

 

[pinoybaptist]

Baptist4Life simply displays a lack of charity and goodwill towards those who do not share his beliefs.

Catholics are Christian. They believe that Jesus Christ came to earth, lived, died and rose again in atonement for their sins. Just like you.

Faith alone, though, isn't good enough for Baptist4Life. Apparently it is faith plus "believing exactly the same things I believe".

No, they're not, Peggy. Not all of them, leastways. DHK is right. You can't be a devoutly practicing Roman Catholic and claim to be a redeemed Christian at the same time.
Baptist4life should have rephrased his question better to : Can you be a Christian while a devoutly practicing Catholic.
I have said in my only post on this thread that there are Roman Catholics who are Christians by virtue of their having been bought by the blood of Christ, and not by virtue of their affiliation with the RCC or any other church, but, however, when one is regenerate the Bible is clear that that regenerate sheep hears the Master's voice, and knows that voice and the Master and will not cling to another.
A Roman Catholic therefore may be a redeemed child of God but as yet unregenerate, and therefore, unconverted from error and there is no excuse because they have the Scriptures available to them and so to say one is a Christian is to say one is converted from error to truth, but the Roman Catholic religion is not Christian, though they claim to be.
Sad, but that's it.

 

[Baptist4life]

From the posts on here condemning me for my stand, I can only assume that the posters really don't know what the RCC teaches. It is not the Gospel.
What about this quote from DHK, is he wrong too?

You cannot believe what the RCC teaches and believe what Christianity teaches at the same time. You must choose one or the other. You cannot be both.

 

[Baptist4life]

Baptist4Life simply displays a lack of charity and goodwill towards those who do not share his beliefs.

Catholics are Christian. They believe that Jesus Christ came to earth, lived, died and rose again in atonement for their sins. Just like you.

You could replace the word "catholic" with "Mormon" and say the same thing, Peggy. Are Mormons Christians too, then? Would you rather have me show them "charity and goodwill " than lead them to the Truth of Jesus Christ?

 

[pinoybaptist]

From the posts on here condemning me for my stand, I can only assume that the posters really don't know what the RCC teaches. It is not the Gospel.
What about this quote from DHK, is he wrong too?

Well, no, not really, B4l.
It is the gospel, it's just that the gospel is for specific ears, not for random ears.
It is for the redeemed people of God, the good news of a finished redemption undertaken for them by a merciful God, and it is to be heard by their individual ears according to the will of God for them.
When that time comes, the child of God within their system will be able to distinghuish truth from error no matter how many coatings of error is spread on the gospel.

 

[webdog]

Baptist4Life simply displays a lack of charity and goodwill towards those who do not share his beliefs.

Catholics are Christian. They believe that Jesus Christ came to earth, lived, died and rose again in atonement for their sins. Just like you.

Faith alone, though, isn't good enough for Baptist4Life. Apparently it is faith plus "believing exactly the same things I believe".

Demons believe that as well, and they are not "Christians". It takes more than that to be a follower of Christ.

 

[donnA]

Baptist4Life simply displays a lack of charity and goodwill towards those who do not share his beliefs.

Catholics are Christian. They believe that Jesus Christ came to earth, lived, died and rose again in atonement for their sins. Just like you.

Faith alone, though, isn't good enough for Baptist4Life. Apparently it is faith plus "believing exactly the same things I believe".

faith alone isn't good enough for catholics, who add to it the sacramants, which you must do to go to heaven. I think you have not studied rcc, and have no real idea what they really believe. If you add anything to Jesus, you do not get biblical salvation, you get man made, which God is not bound to honor.

 

[donnA]

From the posts on here condemning me for my stand, I can only assume that the posters really don't know what the RCC teaches. It is not the Gospel.
What about this quote from DHK, is he wrong too?

I agree with you, and it's isn't very often I agree with dhk, but I do this time. I come from a catholic background, I've done a lot of studying of their doctrines compared to scripture. RCC does not teach biblicals alvation, you can not be saved by a man made salvation. Anyone beleivieng the RCC doctrines of salvation is not saved. We can know this scripturally, it God's way or not at all. And the RCC way is not God's.
It does nto, as paggy has said, have anything to do with anyone beleiving differently then anyone on this thread, it has to do with believing differently then scripture.

 

[donnA]

I know many Christians who are practicing Catholics. Several others here know similar people. Therefore, your statement "...anyone following it is not a Christian...". I'm sure you'll just dismiss that with some silly comment like "well, then they're not following it", but that's just a cheap way to dismiss the fact that there are many Christians who are Catholics.

so then you think a person can make up thier own method of salvation and you will beleive they are saved of they follow what they've made up?

 

[Baptist4life]

I agree with you, and it's isn't very often I agree with dhk, but I do this time. I come from a catholic background, I've done a lot of studying of their doctrines compared to scripture. RCC does not teach biblicals alvation, you can not be saved by a man made salvation. Anyone beleivieng the RCC doctrines of salvation is not saved. We can know this scripturally, it God's way or not at all. And the RCC way is not God's.
It does nto, as paggy has said, have anything to do with anyone beleiving differently then anyone on this thread, it has to do with believing differently then scripture.

Amen! :jesus: is the only Way!

 

[donnA]

That is a bunch of garbage. She came on and intro'd herself as questioning the baptist doctrines. Now why would anyone intro themselves that way. Then she goes directly for the catholic threads.

She is a catholic and a dishonest one at that. She came on this board with an agenda and now wants to play the victim. It is time for her to grow up.

I suspected she was catholic when I first read her posts .
if shes a catholic who lied and claimed to be baptist, why is she still a member and not banned, this is a banning offense, or it used to be.

 

[dcorbett]

Demons believe that as well, and they are not "Christians". It takes more than that to be a follower of Christ.

AMEN! One must admit they are a sinner, ask Jesus to save them from those sins, with the knowledge that all sins, past, present, and future are being covered by the Blood of the Lamb. Grace is getting what we don't deserve, that is COMPLETE forgiveness. Catholics don't believe that future sins are covered, so therefore, they cannot really comprehend salvation.

Also, why do they continue to baptize babies if they believe you must accept Jesus as Savior? Refusing to accept Baptismal regeneration is what got a lot of Christians burned at the stake by the catholic church.


Being close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.

 

[Jon-Marc]

It's a loaded question, based on a presupposition of yours, which others do not share. The crux of what you're asking has been more than adequaely answered. You'll disagree, of course.

Since this is called "Baptist Board" and not "Catholic Board", I doubt there are very many who do not share the belief that very few (if any) practicing Catholics are truly born again.