Aschultz73
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On another forum I go to we had some discussions about the Law. I saved some of my post to furthur study it and elaborate perhaps in one of my classes. Ironically I find that next week I have week of study on the Lawgiver and biblical law. This is part of a post I made on a forum, please give any thoughts. Basically the author of the original OP stated that when Christ died the Mosiac Law was rendered obsolete, but the Law of the 10 commandments were still valid. This of course is a work in progress :jesus:!!!
Thank you for taking the time to read this!!!!
An interesting point you are trying to make, but I think you miss the point a bit. Christ himself gave witness to the canonization of the Old Testament saying...
Luke 24:44 "That all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."
This broad and sweeping statement covers all three major divisions of the Old Testament. The Law was the Pentateuch, the prophets cover the major and minor prophets, and the Psalms cover the historical and all poetical books. Here Christ is clearly placing all of Old Testament Canon as being authoritative, thus when Christ died all of that same Old Testament was fulfilled when he declared, "It is finished."
However this is not declaring the Law itself as void as so many, particularly Universalists and other liberal theologies claim. The problem is that while Christ declared that it was finished they still cant understand that to be found not guilty in the Law (all of it) is to be found in Christ. Of course those who claim liberal theology claim the Law is gone, but Christ clearly stated it is not void until certain things come to pass.
Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
The Lord clearly came to fulfill the price of the Law which was the shedding of blood. This includes all that was written in the Pentateuch concerning the Law. The canon was established by the time of Christ and Jesus Himself bore witness to its authenticity. So when Christ fulfilled the Law it was because He who had no sin, died so that we may be found perfect as Christ is found perfect. But by no means does the Law not stand, for going a step furthur we find.....
Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Now the liberal theologian will claim there it is he fulfilled it, but when digging deeper we must look at what happened when the Law passes. Notice Christ clearly states that heaven and earth itself shall pass. Now unless Christians have missed something we know that heaven and earth has not passed or we would not be having this conversation. However, scripture tells us that heaven and earth shall indeed pass away at same point. For this we go to the Revelation....
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Now here clearly we see that indeed in the future the old will be swept away and replaced by the new. Now of course this is the time when the Law has passed because the Law will no longer be needed. Christ will have called his sheep and they will have passed into eternal heaven. Now the liberal theologian will claim, but see all will be saved as we have said, but what does scripture say about this? What is even more ironic is that the verse immediately proceding this claim states....
Revelation 20:15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Now of course we are to believe as the liberal theologian claims that the lake is remedial. That all will be made to be saved. But no where is this to be found. When the old is cast out and the new heaven and earth made there is not one mention of anyone else coming into the glory of God's presence. We see a New Jerusalem the great city of God with He Himself dwelling amongst men. And what does He proclaim when all this is completed?
Revelation 21:6 "It is done. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
7 "He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
But of course the liberal theologian will still state all will be saved or the Law need not apply. Yet we still find not one instance of remedial justice in scripture, but God Himself states clearly......
8 "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice the magic arts, the idolaters, and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death."
Here God himself declares the place of all evil. Can we find any point here after where those who are placed here are removed from the lake? Not one mention. We only see the dwelling place of God, the holy city where Christians found perfect in Christ will live in the Grace of the Most High God. The Lord confirms this when He ends.
Revelation 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful and deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
So you see my brother this is why the Law yet stands. None can overcome it save those found in Christ. This is what the liberal theologian can not get around. This is why there are those who pull away a tiny piece of scripture away from the whole. This is why there are those who can accept everlasting life, but not everlasting seperation. This is why many including the liberal theologian want to even remove the Revelation questioning its very authenticity.
So when you attempt to seperate what God wrote with His finger from what Moses wrote with his hand be careful. The Lord God Jesus Christ Himself gave authenticity to all of Jewish Canon in the Old Testament and even testified to its authority. The Lawgiver gave the law and the scriptures and not one man can change it. No matter how hard they try, no matter how hard they spin words, no matter how much they attempt to quote scripture. The Lord has preserved His truth for Christians.
In short the liberal theologian can not get around the words of the great imposter, "You shall surely not die!"
God Bless You Brother.
Thank you for taking the time to read this!!!!
An interesting point you are trying to make, but I think you miss the point a bit. Christ himself gave witness to the canonization of the Old Testament saying...
Luke 24:44 "That all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."
This broad and sweeping statement covers all three major divisions of the Old Testament. The Law was the Pentateuch, the prophets cover the major and minor prophets, and the Psalms cover the historical and all poetical books. Here Christ is clearly placing all of Old Testament Canon as being authoritative, thus when Christ died all of that same Old Testament was fulfilled when he declared, "It is finished."
However this is not declaring the Law itself as void as so many, particularly Universalists and other liberal theologies claim. The problem is that while Christ declared that it was finished they still cant understand that to be found not guilty in the Law (all of it) is to be found in Christ. Of course those who claim liberal theology claim the Law is gone, but Christ clearly stated it is not void until certain things come to pass.
Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
The Lord clearly came to fulfill the price of the Law which was the shedding of blood. This includes all that was written in the Pentateuch concerning the Law. The canon was established by the time of Christ and Jesus Himself bore witness to its authenticity. So when Christ fulfilled the Law it was because He who had no sin, died so that we may be found perfect as Christ is found perfect. But by no means does the Law not stand, for going a step furthur we find.....
Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Now the liberal theologian will claim there it is he fulfilled it, but when digging deeper we must look at what happened when the Law passes. Notice Christ clearly states that heaven and earth itself shall pass. Now unless Christians have missed something we know that heaven and earth has not passed or we would not be having this conversation. However, scripture tells us that heaven and earth shall indeed pass away at same point. For this we go to the Revelation....
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Now here clearly we see that indeed in the future the old will be swept away and replaced by the new. Now of course this is the time when the Law has passed because the Law will no longer be needed. Christ will have called his sheep and they will have passed into eternal heaven. Now the liberal theologian will claim, but see all will be saved as we have said, but what does scripture say about this? What is even more ironic is that the verse immediately proceding this claim states....
Revelation 20:15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Now of course we are to believe as the liberal theologian claims that the lake is remedial. That all will be made to be saved. But no where is this to be found. When the old is cast out and the new heaven and earth made there is not one mention of anyone else coming into the glory of God's presence. We see a New Jerusalem the great city of God with He Himself dwelling amongst men. And what does He proclaim when all this is completed?
Revelation 21:6 "It is done. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
7 "He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
But of course the liberal theologian will still state all will be saved or the Law need not apply. Yet we still find not one instance of remedial justice in scripture, but God Himself states clearly......
8 "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice the magic arts, the idolaters, and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death."
Here God himself declares the place of all evil. Can we find any point here after where those who are placed here are removed from the lake? Not one mention. We only see the dwelling place of God, the holy city where Christians found perfect in Christ will live in the Grace of the Most High God. The Lord confirms this when He ends.
Revelation 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful and deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
So you see my brother this is why the Law yet stands. None can overcome it save those found in Christ. This is what the liberal theologian can not get around. This is why there are those who pull away a tiny piece of scripture away from the whole. This is why there are those who can accept everlasting life, but not everlasting seperation. This is why many including the liberal theologian want to even remove the Revelation questioning its very authenticity.
So when you attempt to seperate what God wrote with His finger from what Moses wrote with his hand be careful. The Lord God Jesus Christ Himself gave authenticity to all of Jewish Canon in the Old Testament and even testified to its authority. The Lawgiver gave the law and the scriptures and not one man can change it. No matter how hard they try, no matter how hard they spin words, no matter how much they attempt to quote scripture. The Lord has preserved His truth for Christians.
In short the liberal theologian can not get around the words of the great imposter, "You shall surely not die!"
God Bless You Brother.
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