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Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Was Noah commanded to bring diseased animals upon the ark??
Do you people who refuse to eat bacon for religious reason also only eat kosher killed meat? None of you kill your own meat for food? Go hunting?
Nowhere in Leviticus will you find God calling these forbidden foods "diseased". Can you provide a verse?
"Unclean" is defined as follows;
1) unclean, impure
a) ethically and religiously
b) ritually
c) of places
No "disseased" mentioned.
It is not a "both and" situation. You are reading into the Word of God that which is not there. Quote a verse where it says "both and."It seems you keep missing the point of Lev 11 - not sure how that keeps happening. The point in Lev 11 is not "rats are diseased" - rather the point is that we are not supposed to eat rats, cats, dogs or bats (etc) and also not to eat diseased meat.
SINCE we already are told not to eat the rats, cats, dogs or bats (diseased or not) then the prohibition against eating diseased meats is specific to those animals like sheep, goats, cows, deer etc that we CAN eat. Thus the text specifically speaks to those animals which you MAY eat - that are then found to be diseased - they die of themselves - and are therefore NOT to be eaten.
Your statement above makes it "appear" that you have read "into Lev 11" the idea that all mice are "diseased" or that all cats are "diseased".
It is a "both AND" situation of being told not to eat the cats AND also not to eat any sheep that is diseased (that dies of itself).
Hope that helps.:thumbsup:
in Christ,
Bob
It is not a "both and" situation. You are reading into the Word of God that which is not there. Quote a verse where it says "both and."
Unclean does not mean "diseased."
Neither can you justify this passage:
1 Timothy 4:1-4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
Originally Posted by DHK![]()
1 Timothy 4:3-5 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is received with thanksgiving.
5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer. (WEB)
For a religious order or organization to declare that any certain kind of food should be rejected or declared unclean, it is "a doctrine of demons" (devils).
So Leviticus 11 Trumps the NT.Indeed - I keep trying to stress that point with you and you keep missing it.
What is going on there??
In your previous quote - you included vs 5 and I pointed out that vs 5 destroys your entire argument ...so now you decide to drop vs 5?
What is up with that?
Turns - out Lev 11 was authored by God - not demons.
(That is a detail a lot of people are going to notice).
Think about it.
in Christ,
Bob
You are guilty aren't you?Bob, are you consistent with the law?
So far you have been referring only to the dietary law.
What about the laws concerning clothing?
If you are to apply dietary laws to yourself you must also apply the law in other areas of personal care.
Deuteronomy 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.
The principle here is that one could not wear anything made of more than one fabric. You either had to dress all in linen or all in wool, or all in cotton, etc. Today, you would not be allowed polyester blends (most shirts), blended wools (with rayon quite often), denim, cotton and polyester, acryllic and polyester, etc. etc. Just take a look at some of the tags in your clothing. Do you wear all of one type of clothing? Is it all wool, all cotton, all of one kind of material? I doubt it.
Therefore you are hypocritical in keeping the law. If you can't keep the law in this area--the area of clothing, it is obvious you can't keep dietary laws either. Both must be observed or you are hypocritical.
If one should keep the whole law and yet offends in one point he is guilty of all.
You are guilty of all.
This thread is causing me to crave a BLT.
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Originally Posted by DHK![]()
1 Timothy 4:3-5 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is received with thanksgiving.
5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer. (WEB)
Bob said:That is where I reminded you that the Word of God today has 66 books (and at the time Paul was writing it had 39 books) of which Lev 11 just so happens to be in one of them.
Thus - all things that are approved in scripture ARE clean - and to be enjoyed. But the old "I don't care what scripture says" argument does not go very far with Paul as you might imagine.
DHK said:nothing is to be refused, not even pork, cat, dog, etc.
So Leviticus 11 Trumps the NT.
DHK said:Do you play games like this all the time?
What tribe do you belong to Bob? Levi? Benjamin? Simeon? Which one?
So you admit that your view, your interpretation of this passage:Contradiction to the Word of God in Lev 11 - noted.
Bob
Originally Posted by DHK![]()
1 Timothy 4:3-5 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is received with thanksgiving.
5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer. (WEB)
Originally Posted by DHK
nothing is to be refused, not even pork, cat, dog, etc.
So you admit that your view, your interpretation of this passage:
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is received with thanksgiving.
5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.
1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
is a contradiction of Leviticus 11.
I also see, that though I have posted twice now:
Deuteronomy 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.
you are afraid to give an answer to it.
It makes you a hypocrite as I have pointed out. Why haven't you answered those two previous posts Bob?
>When you say "kosher killed" do you mean "not strangled"??
Google kosher killed for arguments on all sides.
It is sad Bob. It is sad that you choose a "pick and choose" method of Bible study instead of rightly dividing the word of truth.On the contrary - you appear to make the wild argument that is of the form "surely you do not want to obey this part of God's Word - so if you don't want to obey this part of scripture - why not also violate the Lev 11 text of scripture as well?" -- AS IF that is some kind of "exegesis" of something.
How sad.
You miss the entire point of the passage. The Israelites were not interested in the usefulness of practicality of which cloth to use. God was teaching them a lesson which they had to obey. You clearly don't see the lesson and thus refuse to obey it.Also how odd that you think that not wearing a garment mixed with wool and linen is such a trial, especially given the fact that when preserved in whole cloth - the one abosrbs moisture while the other repels.
I am not the one placing limits on God's Word. You have placed yourself under God's law and God's curse. To bring yourself out from under that curse you must bring yourself out from under the law, which means out from under the dietary laws as well.The limits you place on God's word appear to be aligned with what you consider convenience and custom.
He hung on the cross abolishing the law.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
u must continue in ALL things that are written in the law, and continue in them from life unto death, not omitting a single one. If you disobey one law one time in your life you are cursed and there is no remedy for you.
Your clothing is contaminated with the sin of polyester. It is probably cotton mixed with polyester. Polyester is that sin that contaminates the cloth you wear. You do not wear 100% of any cloth thus breaking God's law. If you do not continue in this law then the dietary laws are useless to you.
John says that those who claim to know Christ and yet do not keep His Commandments are not telling the truth. John then tells us in Rev 12 that the saints are those who "Keep the Commandments of God".
in Christ,
Bob