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Snake handling

Grasshopper

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Revmitchell said:
You should be careful to speak only on those things with which you actually know. I challenge you to provide one single post to support your false accusation of my being KJV only.
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As soon as you provide any proof I'm a liberal. You see, I can play your "label the poster" game as well.



Add to that I am aware of the so called textual criticism on this issue. It is not impressive. Just because someone can criticize something doesn't make it so or even credible.
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Fine,but there are many conservative Bible scholars and pastors who disagree, and in fact will not preach from that text. Your problem is anyone who disagrees with you, you charge with liberalism.
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Revmitchell

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Grasshopper said:
As soon as you provide any proof I'm a liberal. You see, I can play your "label the poster" game as well.





Fine,but there are many conservative Bible scholars and pastors who disagree, and in fact will not preach from that text. Your problem is anyone who disagrees with you, you charge with liberalism.
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If you want to call me KJVO feel free.
 
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blackbird

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Jerry Clower and Clovis Ledbetter walked into a church service in the backwoods of Tennessee----where one of the deacons had a burlap sack full of Rattlers he let loose on the floor!!!

Says Jerry to Clovis---"Clovis!!! They ain't no back door in this joint!!"

Says Clovis back to Jerry---"JAAAAAREEEEE!!! RECKON WHERE THEY WANT ONE????"

Sorry, Salty----couldn't resist that one!!!
 
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rbell

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kyredneck said:
Sunday, May 20, 2007
Snake handling on the rise in Baptist churches

According to a new report, snake handling is on the rise within Baptist churches across the country. The report, released by NAMB this past Tuesday, says that the practice of snake handling as part of Sunday morning worship services has risen in Baptist churches from 2% in 2006 to 17% this spring.


Al Wittner, senior pastor at First Baptist Church of Baton Rouge, LA reported the exciting results of snake handling. According to Wittner, "A few weeks ago, we began with just a few black snakes. The folks in the pews felt a little uneasy at first, but they warmed up to it very quickly. By this past Sunday, we added Rattlers and Copperheads. I think the added dimension of poison really increased interest. We had at least 40% of our members in attendance, which was the highest percentage in years."


NAMB's report also indicates that some churches are planning on adding snake handling as a third ordinance. Along with baptism and the Lord's Supper, snake handling will be a regular part of church gatherings. Pastor Wittner said, "We haven't yet decided whether or not to make snake handling an ordinance. But, if it keeps bringing the lost in through the front doors of the church, we might just have to do so."

http://religionroundtable.blogspot.com/2007/05/snake-handling-on-rise-in-baptist.html
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I think this is bogus. FBC Baton Rouge is not that kind of church, in the least. Never heard of this Wittner guy, either.

Methinks we've got us an urban legend.
 
kyredneck

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rbell said:
I think this is bogus. FBC Baton Rouge is not that kind of church, in the least. Never heard of this Wittner guy, either.

Methinks we've got us an urban legend.
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Yes, it's a spoof, satire. I was actually doing a search to see IF there were any Baptist snake handlers and ran across this. The hillarity of it overcome me at the moment and I immediately posted it, and thought better of it later not wanting to sound sacreligious. Perhaps I should have included some smilewinkgrins instead of the smileys at the bottom. My apologies if I caused any confusion; I have a sick sense of humor sometimes. :D
 
Thinkingstuff

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kyredneck said:
Yes, it's a spoof, satire. I was actually doing a search to see IF there were any Baptist snake handlers and ran across this. The hillarity of it overcome me at the moment and I immediately posted it, and thought better of it later not wanting to sound sacreligious. Perhaps I should have included some smilewinkgrins instead of the smileys at the bottom. My apologies if I caused any confusion; I have a sick sense of humor sometimes. :D
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I understand and appreciate that type of humor. However, I never came accross baptist snake handlers. I have however ran accross pentecostal ones. A split off from the church of god of prophesy while I was in Tennessee. Very disturbing these folk. They also drank arsnic. It was in essence how they challenged their faith.
 
kyredneck

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Thinkingstuff said:
I understand and appreciate that type of humor. However, I never came accross baptist snake handlers. I have however ran accross pentecostal ones. A split off from the church of god of prophesy while I was in Tennessee. Very disturbing these folk. They also drank arsnic. It was in essence how they challenged their faith.
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Yea, we have some of the same folks in E. KY, Pentacostal & Holiness mostly. KY has outlawed religious snake handling.

I had some when they find out that I'm PRIMITIVE Baptist ask me if we handle snakes.
 
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RAdam

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I've never understood why people hold the "oldest" manuscripts in such high regard. On one hand you have a few copies that are physically older. On the other hand you have thousands of copies that agree fairly well with one another. The oldest copies weren't used by Christians for centuries. The more numerous ones were, which is why there are so many of them. All it takes is common sense to figure out which ones are trustworthy.

Also, the argument for the so-called "older and better" are actually saying that God left His people without the most reliable texts for centuries. Too bad all those Christians were believing the end of Mark falsely, and were practicing believer's baptism based off a text that shouldn't be in the bible. If only they had the older and better back then, eh. It's pretty easy to see the ridiculous position that so many modern critics have taken.
 
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RAdam

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The "long ending of Mark", as it is called, is an actual textual issue. The fact is, the oldest manuscripts simply do not contain the material found in Mark 16:9-20. In fact, in some later manuscripts, there is even a verse 21!

So, what are we to do with the long ending? Throw it out? Totally accept it and ignore the historical/textual issue?

I don't think either is acceptable.

We should accept Mark 16:9-20 (21) with the understanding that there are some real questions about it. Therefore we should be careful not to base any teaching soley on the material found in that section. Thankfully, I can't think of much in Mark 16:9-20 that is not found somewhere else in the New Testament. Thus, in my mind, it is almost a non-issue. Something I don't think about unless asked to.

Just like thinking critically does not mean to think bad about something/one, textual criticism is not about being critical of a text. New Testament textual criticism is simply "the study of the original wording of the New Testament" ("New Testament Textual Criticism: A Concise Guide. By: David A. Black, pg.7). In this context, criticism refers to the careful study of something (Oxford: evaluation, appraisal, assessment, review, etc). If we are talking about thinking critically, that is carefully examining our thinking on a subject. If we are talking about New Testament textual criticism, we are talking about the careful study of the manuscript evidence.
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It's sad to me that Christians refuse to believe that God has preserved His word. Jesus said man would live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Too bad we can't tell which words actually proceeded out of His mouth and which were added by a reviser. What a sad view of scripture so many Christians today have.
 
Thinkingstuff

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RAdam said:
It's sad to me that Christians refuse to believe that God has preserved His word. Jesus said man would live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Too bad we can't tell which words actually proceeded out of His mouth and which were added by a reviser. What a sad view of scripture so many Christians today have.
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Diatribe. So I take it you have a problem with textual criticism?
 
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Thinkingstuff said:
Diatribe. So I take it you have a problem with textual criticism?
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I have a problem with people arguing that the bible Christians used for centuries has whole sections that shouldn't be in there. I have a problem with scholars telling Christians that they can't trust particular passages in their bible.
 
Thinkingstuff

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RAdam said:
I have a problem with people arguing that the bible Christians used for centuries has whole sections that shouldn't be in there. I have a problem with scholars telling Christians that they can't trust particular passages in their bible.
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In essence isn't that the argument against using a latin vulgate english translation? And note the Byzantine text was used to support Eastern churches liturgies and added a fluidity not originally there? And if verses were added by a scribe isn't that problematic?
 
Thinkingstuff

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RAdam said:
Yep, gotta love the old 1 John 5:7 argument. Clearest teaching of the Trinity in the scriptures so let's take it out. Textual criticism is the greatest example of the dangers of walking by sight and not by faith. It also shows the dangers of trusting in one's natural intelligence verses trusting in God by faith to preserve His word.
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You know what a great example of walking faith and not by sight. Wako, Heaven's Gate, and Jim Jones to name a few. I think there is a place for both faith and textual Criticism.
 
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Thinkingstuff said:
You know what a great example of walking faith and not by sight. Wako, Heaven's Gate, and Jim Jones to name a few. I think there is a place for both faith and textual Criticism.
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Not when textual criticism throws doubt on scripture. Either one believes God has preserved His word and He promised, or one doesn't.
 
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