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Commandment keeping

Would you like to be judged by the law for your eternal life?

  • yes

    Votes: 2 6.1%

  • no

    Votes: 31 93.9%
  • Total voters
    33
steaver

steaver

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Who would like to have their destiny of eternal life judged by the law?

BobRyan and HP are two proponents on this board for commandment keeping else one will not be saved.

So let's be honest and see who all here wants to be judged by the law as to part of their final standing before God as it concerns eternal life.
 
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Amy.G

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Christ has fulfilled the Law in my place. He is my righteousness.

We can never be saved by self righteousness. That is what Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for trying to do.
 
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luke1616

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Those who accuse or excuse using the law, have fallen from grace. If I am saved by grace, then I'm no longer under the law. The law was a schoolmaster to get me to Jesus, now I'm led by the Spirit and will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. We got kicked out of Eden because we ate the fruit of the tree of Law. Why would I eat that? I wouldn't because I now have the tree of Life, Jesus.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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Steaver: So let's be honest and see who all here wants to be judged by the law as to part of their final standing before God as it concerns eternal life.
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HP: What does it matter how we desire to be judged?? Take the issue of divorce and adultery our Lord spoke concerning to His disciples. If a poll was taken among them as to how they would have liked things to be, how do you suppose they would have voted?? Scripture tells us that they felt it must not then be good to marry if in fact what Jesus said was true. Mt 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

Your poll question is less than meaningless. What do the Scriptures say? Joh 14:15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 15:10 IF ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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Just for the record, there are certainly issues in what might be denoted as 'commandment keeping' that I would clearly disagree with BR and others as well for that matter. "Let every man be assured in his own mind."
 
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luke1616

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steaver said:
BobRyan and HP are two proponents on this board for commandment keeping else one will not be saved.
Is this true that they believe this? In other words, the ten commandments, the whole of the Law? It does matter.
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steaver

steaver

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
Just for the record, there are certainly issues in what might be denoted as 'commandment keeping' that I would clearly disagree with BR and others as well for that matter. "Let every man be assured in his own mind."
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"Let every man be assured in his own mind."

What if the man be deceived by his own mind?
 
steaver

steaver

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
HP: If we are and remain obedient we will not end up deceived. If one is deceived, they will simply not be of the Bride of Christ washed by the blood of the Lamb.
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How can you know you have kept the whole law and the RIGHT parts if you think some have been dismissed?
 
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DHK

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:




HP: If we are and remain obedient we will not end up deceived. If one is deceived, they will simply not be of the Bride of Christ washed by the blood of the Lamb.
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You cannot remain obedient. Every time you call me a Calvinist you are not obedient. You lie and tell not the truth. That is not remaining faithful.
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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steaver said:
Who would like to have their destiny of eternal life judged by the law?

BobRyan and HP are two proponents on this board for commandment keeping else one will not be saved.

So let's be honest and see who all here wants to be judged by the law as to part of their final standing before God as it concerns eternal life.
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Very often Steaver's response to Bible texts that do not agree with his view - is to blame the person who quotes them simply because they notices them and find them to flatly contradict Steaver's traditions.

But now this thread reveals that Steaver appears to believe that Bible doctrine is a matter of public vote and popular opinion.

How facinating.

Maybe one thing does lead to another.

in Christ,

Bob
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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Here is one of the Bible texts that Steaver appears to want to "blame" someone here for noticing.

In James 2 we have this inspired statement about the role of the law for the saved.

8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

Of course - the role of the law for the lost is simply to condemn. And the perspective of how the law applies to the lost appears to be one that Steaver loves to circle back to - whenever James speaks about the role of the Law for the saved.

In the same way - 1John 2 speaks about the role of the Law for the saved -

8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

Christ also speaks about this in Matt 7 talking about those who merely mouth the right phrases - vs those who actually hear HIS words and do them.

"If you Love Me" a message to the saved - "Keep My Commandments" the role of the law for the saved. (John 14:15).

And again in Heb 8:10 we find the New Covenant promise about the role of the law for the saved. The Law of God written on the heart and mind. (Hint: the New Birth, the New Creation).

As each of these texts come up - it is often "too tempting" for some to "Circle back" to the role of the law for the lost - and then complain that someone is noticing Bible texts that speak to the role of the law for the saved.

oh well... ;)

in Christ,

Bob
 
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DHK

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BobRyan said:
Of course - the role of the law for the lost is simply to condemn. And the perspective of how the law applies to the lost appears to be one that Steaver loves to circle back to - whenever James speaks about the role of the Law for the saved.
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For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
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11 For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
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No Bob, the law is to demonstrate not only for the lost, that they are condemned, but to all--both lost and saved, that they can never keep the law. James was written to believers. James was showing these believers that it was impossible to keep the law. If a believer should sin in one point of the law then the believer was just as guilty as breaking all the law of God. The fact is that no believer could keep the law of God.

Only: Grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone can give you salvation. Works simply condemn. The law condemns.
 
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Cutter

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After reading through this thread I ran across Friend of God's signature verse after reading one of his postings. I thought it was applicable to the argument here.
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour. That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:5-7 [King James Version]
 
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annsni

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A child obeys his parents because he loves them and wants to please them. They do not obey so they do not get disowned. To think that we can lose our salvation so easily as to stumble, what kind of parent is God? One who is truly not a parent.
 
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