In the Beginning....

[percho]

I agree!

Here's a short article I found on Kent Hovind's website blog:

The Gap Theory Denies the Purpose of the Cross

Dr. Kent Hovind
October 26th, 2010

Without a doubt, the foundation upon which our salvation and hope rests is the substitutionary death of Christ on the cross. God created a perfect, sinless earth and placed upon it a perfect, sinless man. This man, Adam, enjoyed close fellowship with his Creator until he sinned and broke the perfect relationship between God and man. Ever since that time, death and degradation have plagued God’s once-perfect creation, and man has been separated from God. However, the shedding of Christ’s innocent blood on the cross can restore man’s fellowship with God and provide him eternal life. Through Adam’s sin, death entered into the world; but through Christ’s sacrifice, salvation is made possible (Romans 5:19). Therein lies the gap theory’s greatest error, the placement of sin and death prior to the existence of Adam. If death existed prior to Adam’s sin, then how could it be the result of sin?

http://http://www.drdino.com/the-gap-theory-denies-the-purpose-of-the-cross/#comments

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Were the plants and animals just by-products or do they sin also?

 

[Alive in Christ]

I most certainly do believe that creation took place just the way it is presented in genesis.

6 24 hour days.

 

[Amy.G]

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


I believe this scripture confirms that the creation was indeed 6 24 hours days.

 

[Deacon]

You misinterpreted my statement. I was interpreting the English translation "evening and morning" in the context of the use of "yom" not in any other context.

Perhaps I did, but the general argument that 'evening and morning' means only 24 hours is trashed by Daniel 8.

The term "yom" is not found in Daniel 8 and neither is the Hebrew equivilent for evening and morning found in Daniel 8.

This just isn't true!

The Hebrew term "tamiyd" is not found in Genesis one with "yom" or "evening and morning" but is repeatedly found in Daniel 8 and as the descriptive with the "evening" and "morning" sacrifice in Exodus 28:38-39 as well as with what is repeatedly described as the evening and morning sacrifice in Daniel 8:11-14,26. The evening morning is a descriptive of a sacrifice defined contextually as "daily" not some unspecified period of time. The modifers are specific and repeated whereas your position is forced to ignore them completely.
This evidence is irrefutable. You must either ignore or distort but nether changes it.

This is 'Death from a thousand cuts' argument. You took a phrase that is rarely used in scripture and qualify it in such a way that your arguments begins to look good.

Why should I drop the argument when you are forced to admit that it is not the hebrew structure used in Genesis IN ADDITION to all the evidence presented above. Daniel 8 does offer any proof that "evening morning" exceeds a twenty-four hour day and so what "point" are you talking about! The term "DAILY" is used repeatedly with "evening morning" in Daniel 8:11-14 and so you have FORCE the conclusion that 2300 means any more than either 1100 evenings and 1100 mornings OR 2300 evening mornings in the sense of "DAILY" even mornings. Your arguments are completely bogus - empty and forced.

If my only argument was based on silence you might have a point but when ALL the evidence is considered together your position is simply empty and pointless. The only thing fostering your argument is a theological bias that you must keep alive by forced arguments.

I havent argued for any theological position, I've merely showed where you were wrong.
Your initial argument was simple and misleading.
The argument is often made that "evening and morning' only mean 24 hours. Daniel 8 destroys that simple argument.
I think I understand the way you attempt to qualify your statment but that needs to added to the initial point you made.
And the phrase "'evening' and 'morning'" with the word for "daily" are not used enough in scripture to be sure your qualification holds water.

Rob

 

[Dr. Walter]

Perhaps I did, but the general argument that 'evening and morning' means only 24 hours is trashed by Daniel 8.

What a joke! Prove it! You think just saying something makes it true??????

This just isn't true!

Oh yeah? Prove that "yom" is used in Daniel 8:11-14,26 in connection with the phrase "ereb boqer" - I will wait for your evidence! Remember, I made this statement based on the fact that "yom" is used directly with the phrase "morning and evening" in Genesis 1 but is never used once in Daniel 8:11-14,26 with "ereb boqer." Likewise, "tamiyd" ("daily") is used repeatedly in Daniel 8:11-14 with "sacrifice" and as a qualifer of "ereb boqer" but never used once in Genesis 1 but is the qualifer of the "ereb" "boquer" sacrifice in Exodus 29:38.

This is 'Death from a thousand cuts' argument. You took a phrase that is rarely used in scripture and qualify it in such a way that your arguments begins to look good.

I hope your not bleeding all over the floor!

I havent argued for any theological position, I've merely showed where you were wrong.

You have showed that you can write what you please and that is about it.

 

[Robert Snow]

I believe in the "gap" theory also. I believe it exists between the two ears of a person who has not studied the evidence sufficiently.

How cute.

Since you are an authority on this subject, you should know that believing in a gap theory does not prevent a literal 24 hour a day 6 day creation taught in Genesis. Of course this information would be redundant to someone as bright and well educated as you.

 

[Robert Snow]

There is no evidence that there was a previous perfect creation prior to the 7 day creation recorded in Genesis 1:2. There is evidence against any prior creation.

There is no evidence for a gap theory in Genesis 1:2. God simply created the materials in verse 1 and then gave them form and inhabitants in Genesis 1:2-26.

We should end this thread now. You have spoken and that should end all discussion. After all, we know you are much more knowledgeable than a novice like C.I. Scofield, and surely much more knowledgeable than any of the tens of thousands of those who tend to believe that Scofield might be correct.

In fact, we should shut the entire BB down and just link all discussions to you, after all, you seem to be all-knowing. I believe I will pause and thank God that he allowed me to come in contact with such a great bible scholar as you.

PS: Could I please have your autograph?

 

[Dr. Walter]

How cute.

Since you are an authority on this subject, you should know that believing in a gap theory does not prevent a literal 24 hour a day 6 day creation taught in Genesis. Of course this information would be redundant to someone as bright and well educated as you.

Like I said, the only "gap" is between the ears of the person embracing it. There is no "gap" between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:3. There is no previous creation that has been destroyed by God. There is no pre-Adamic race. There is no previous existence of SIN among angels or a pre-Adamic race.

 

[matt wade]

How cute.

Since you are an authority on this subject, you should know that believing in a gap theory does not prevent a literal 24 hour a day 6 day creation taught in Genesis. Of course this information would be redundant to someone as bright and well educated as you.

Robert. Can you provide any Biblical proof that there is a gap?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Robert. Can you provide any Biblical proof that there is a gap?

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

There is no indication of the period of time between the creation of the heavens and earth and when God said, "Let there be light." So it could have been a second or a million years. We do not know for sure.

 

[matt wade]

There is no indication of the period of time between the creation of the heavens and earth and when God said, "Let there be light." So it could have been a second or a million years. We do not know for sure.

That is not evidence of a gap. It is lack of evidence.

 

[Dr. Walter]

We should end this thread now. You have spoken and that should end all discussion. After all, we know you are much more knowledgeable than a novice like C.I. Scofield, and surely much more knowledgeable than any of the tens of thousands of those who tend to believe that Scofield might be correct.

In fact, we should shut the entire BB down and just link all discussions to you, after all, you seem to be all-knowing. I believe I will pause and thank God that he allowed me to come in contact with such a great bible scholar as you.

PS: Could I please have your autograph?

Like I said, the only "gap" is between the ears of the person embracing that theory. Sorry but I don't worship your god (Scofield).

 

[Crabtownboy]

That is not evidence of a gap. It is lack of evidence.

I agree. There just is not any evident of the period of time between the two verses.

I am not a proponent nor an opponent of the gap theory. I believe God did it and I am not much concerned about how. I do not believe each day was a 24 hour day. I do believe the word day was used so people in ancient times could understand. If God had inspired the writer of Genesis to write a scientific explanation of the creation no one would have paid attention, no one would have understood and we would not have that portion of Genesis.

We must keep in mind what people in that ancient time could understand.

 

[Robert Snow]

Robert. Can you provide any Biblical proof that there is a gap?

No, that's why it is called a "theory."

I have never said it is a fact, regardless of so-called "Dr." Martin's smart-alack remark. Just something to think about.

I do believe in a six-day 24 hour creation of our present world. Now, if this describes the creation of our universe, I have no problem with it.

 

[Dr. Walter]

There is no indication of the period of time between the creation of the heavens and earth and when God said, "Let there be light." So it could have been a second or a million years. We do not know for sure.

It is impossible to harmonize evolution with the Biblical account of creation regardless what kind of gap you invent to stick it into. It is equally impossible to harmonize a pre-adamic race, a pre-created and destroyed world, a pre-angelic fall with the Bible regardless of what "gap" you try to stick in. Scofield simply didn't do his homework.

 

[Dr. Walter]

I agree. There just is not any evident of the period of time between the two verses.

If God had inspired the writer of Genesis to write a scientific explanation of the creation no one would have paid attention, no one would have understood and we would not have that portion of Genesis.

We must keep in mind what people in that ancient time could understand.

Remember, that God is the author of all that science can prove is true and God did not write something contrary to true science either. The Genesis account may not have been written as a scientific text book but true science is in perfect keeping with the Genesis account.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Remember, that God is the author of all that science can prove is true and God did not write something contrary to true science either. The Genesis account may not have been written as a scientific text book but true science is in perfect keeping with the Genesis account.

What is true science? I find that a meaningless sentence. Please enlighten me.

 

[Robert Snow]

Like I said, the only "gap" is between the ears of the person embracing that theory. Sorry but I don't worship your god (Scofield).

In looking through you past postings you seem to enjoy elevating your own worth at the expense of others. People who deem themselves as inferior often do such things. You would be better served to show some humility and let God exalt you in due time. Attempting this on your own only makes you appear foolish.

I guess it makes you feel more like a man to humiliate others, this is a trait cowards often portray.

I don't worship Scofield, and I resent you saying so; you do know it is a sin to lie, don't you?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

There is no indication of the period of time between the creation of the heavens and earth and when God said, "Let there be light." So it could have been a second or a million years. We do not know for sure.

Those who believe the Word of God know for sure.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Scripture does not say 'For in millions of years the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.'

Scripture says the earth was created in six days. The same Hebrew word for day that is found in Genesis 1:5 is found more than 1900 times in the Old Testament. All of these must represent the same time period... a day or days that consisted of 24 hours each.

The earth was without form and void does not mean the earth existed previously. It simply means it was without form and empty. God had spoke the earth into existence. It had no mountains, no valleys. It was just a collection of dirt that had nothing on it.

Over the next 5 days, God began to populate the earth with plants, animals, and ultimately... man.

Earth was created in 6 days just as Genesis 1 and Exodus 20 declare it was.

 

[Dr. Walter]

What is true science? I find that a meaningless sentence. Please enlighten me.

1. Observation
2. Repeatability
3. Hypothesis

The act of creation is outside the realm of scientific investigation but the results of creation are applicable to the scientific method and nothing that can be subjected to the scientific method (true science) contradicts the Biblical account of creation.