And that is baptismal regeneration, making baptism a part of salvation.
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What Is A Predenominational Christian?
- Thread starter adisciplinedlearner
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Dr. Walter
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I should have said, "When repentant believers are baptized . . . "
If the unregenerate state is the condition of mind and heart as described in Ephesians 4:18-19 then is not repentance the the evidence that this state described in Ephesians 4:18-19 has already been changed? Since you require evidence of this internal change BEFORE baptism then that proves baptism is not part of regeneration or changing the unregenerate condition of the mind and heart:
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
adisciplinedlearner
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Baptismal regeneration is taught by the Roman Catholic Church. It holds that baptism is itself regenerative by Almighty God's power and grace. I do not agree.
Dr. Walter
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Baptismal regeneration is taught by the Roman Catholic Church. It holds that baptism is itself regenerative by Almighty God's power and grace. I do not agree.
Yes, you do agree because you do not allow for regeneration to occur outside the waters of baptism. However, the fact that you demand evidence of repentance BEFORE baptism demonstrates that regeneration must occur BEFORE baptism as regeneration is the change of the mind and heart from the state described in Ephesians 4:18 and no one will submit to baptism while in that state:
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
adisciplinedlearner
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God's prevenient grace makes it possible for the guilty sinner to repent of his sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour.
I see that some have begun a new denomination.
The new denomination is predenomination.
The new denomination is predenomination.
Dr. Walter
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God's prevenient grace makes it possible for the guilty sinner to repent of his sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour.
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
So does your theory of God's prevenient grace CHANGE this inward state of ENMITY toward God and refusal to submit to God, and this inward ignorance of God, this inward blindness of heart or do you baptize them in order to have this changed?
If you baptize them to have it changed that is called baptismal regeneration. IF you admit it is changed by prevenient grace than that is regeneration prior to baptism.
By the way, how do you get a person who is at enimity with God, refusing to submit to God's authority, with a darkned understanding to be baptized???
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adisciplinedlearner
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I see that some have begun a new denomination.
The new denomination is predenomination.
There are no denominations in the one body of Christ. This is one of the best things about it. All who are in the body are one in Christ Jesus.
Dr. Walter
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There are no denominations in the one body of Christ. This is one of the best things about it. All who are in the body are one in Christ Jesus.
No, it is total rebellion against God without any accountability to anyone to beleive and do as you will. It is the perfect partner with Ephesians 4:18.
adisciplinedlearner
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In the one true body of Christ, all Christians are free to love all other Christians with Jesus' love. This is the badge of true Christian discipleship (Jn. 13:34-35).
Dr. Walter
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Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
So does your theory of God's prevenient grace CHANGE this inward state of ENMITY toward God and refusal to submit to God, and this inward ignorance of God, this inward blindness of heart or do you baptize them in order to have this changed?
If you baptize them to have it changed that is called baptismal regeneration. IF you admit it is changed by prevenient grace than that is regeneration prior to baptism.
By the way, how do you get a person who is at enimity with God, refusing to submit to God's authority, with a darkned understanding to be baptized???
Again, what does repentance before Baptism require within the mind and heart of that person that would prevent the described state in Ephesians 4:18 to remain unchanged until baptism? John demanded some bring forth "fruits meet for repentance" BEFORE baptism. What must happen to the describe unregenerate state of mind and heart before such is possible???
So Romans 10:10 occurs in baptism not before baptism? How then do you know who to baptize?
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There is no denomination but predenomination. You have made up your own denomination, just like any cult leader does. Ask any leader of any cult they will tell you the same thing. They do not believe in denominations, nor recognize them. That is why they started their own cult.There are no denominations in the one body of Christ. This is one of the best things about it. All who are in the body are one in Christ Jesus.
adisciplinedlearner
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There is no denomination but predenomination. You have made up your own denomination, just like any cult leader does. Ask any leader of any cult they will tell you the same thing. They do not believe in denominations, nor recognize them. That is why they started their own cult.
It sounds strange and even cultic to our ears because we are so accustomed to the division of denominationalism. It was not strange in New Testament times.
There is one true church and body of Christ made up of all true Christians or disciples of Christ. Jesus built it, is building it, and will build it to completion.
Dr. Walter
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It sounds strange and even cultic to our ears because we are so accustomed to the division of denominationalism. It was not strange in New Testament times.
There is one true church and body of Christ made up of all true Christians or disciples of Christ. Jesus built it, is building it, and will build it to completion.
I don't recall anyone in New Testament times claiming to be "predenominational"?? You think by simply parroting your heresy it becomes truth? You have yet to establish it as truth. You have yet to overcome the objections that have been presented to disprove your position.
adisciplinedlearner
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The term predenominational is just descriptive. It is not a name or title.
There are no denominations in the one body of Christ. This is one of the best things about it. All who are in the body are one in Christ Jesus.
If you are different than any other denomination you are in fact a denomination. There is no way around that. Being against denominations is itself a denomination if it is an organized church.
Dr. Walter
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The term predenominational is just descriptive. It is not a name or title.
I don't recall anyone in the New Testament using it as a descriptive either!
Again, how can you justify having candidates for baptism who are yet unrepentant and unbelievers prior to the act of baptism??? John would not accept such - Mt. 3:6-8.
Dr. Walter
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If you are different than any other denomination you are in fact a denomination. There is no way around that. Being against denominations is itself a denomination if it is an organized church.
You gave him a loop hole when you used the word "organized."
He does not believe that a leader over a flock, with ordinances, a set of beliefs and pratices, with a set agenda, and regulaly appointed services with guidelines for discipline and removal of membership is an "organized" church.
Dr. Walter
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Again, do your candidates for baptism have any change of mind and heart from what is described in Ephesians 4:18 as the unregenerate condition BEFORE you baptize them?
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
So does your theory of God's prevenient grace CHANGE this inward state of ENMITY toward God and refusal to submit to God, and this inward ignorance of God, this inward blindness of heart or do you baptize them in order to have this changed?
If you baptize them to have it changed that is called baptismal regeneration. IF you admit it is changed by prevenient grace than that is regeneration prior to baptism.
By the way, how do you get a person who is at enimity with God, refusing to submit to God's authority, with a darkned understanding to be baptized???
You were the one that put it as the "title" for your denomination in your profile. You condemn yourself.The term predenominational is just descriptive. It is not a name or title.