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Christian School Attacked Over Quran Desecrations

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matt wade

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Wow, you're being mean today. CTB is a Christian and he wants Muslims to become Christians.

Why thank you! I'm glad you can make a decision on how I am acting today based upon this single post. I'll remember to generalize your complete daily attitude by your single posts in the future.

Crabby has very plainly told us on this thread that we should not do things that offend moslems. He has said they may retaliate if we do. I agree with him and was simply listing some thing that he may follow as to not offend them. What's wrong with that?
 

FR7 Baptist

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Crabby has very plainly told us on this thread that we should not do things that offend moslems. He has said they may retaliate if we do. I agree with him and was simply listing some thing that he may follow as to not offend them. What's wrong with that?

Use common sense. You know what you're doing.

BTW, how's your church search going?
 

Baptist Believer

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Their favorite tactic is to provoke a people or cuture to anger then blame the provoked for the "retaliation" of the provokee.

This is absolutely true. However I hope you realize that this cuts both ways:

Their (that is, Christians who deliberately antagonize Muslims) favorite tactic is to provoke a people or culture to anger (by burning a Qur'an or denying religious liberty to Muslims) then blame the provoked (the Muslims) for the retaliating.

Muslims definitely need to be more thick-skinned and also realize that the actions of some wingnut Christians do not represent all of us, but I have a hard time making that case when most of "conservative" American Christendom seems to do exactly the same thing.

In John 5, Jesus went to visit the Samaritans who had established a rival temple and were despised by most Jews of the day. The Samaritans had no great love for the Jewish people either. When Jesus was speaking with the woman at the well, she turned the conversation off of herself and onto the burning religious question of the day: whether to worship in the Samaritan temple of the Jewish temple. Jesus answered her question directly, but went on to reveal that there was much more to Worship than the location. He also explicitly revealed Himself to be the Messiah.

Did Jesus go up to the center of Samaritan worship and disrupt it? Nope. Did he work to offend the Samaritans so He could somehow prove He and the Jewish people were better than the Samaritans? Nope. Did he complain about the Samaritans contempt for the Jews and use that as an excuse not to love them? Nope. Did He simply write off all of the Samaritans as a lost cause? Nope.

He extended His love to them, told the truth, and they responded.

I know several people who serve as Christian missionaries in some of the Islamic countries we hear about on the news. For the most part, they have found the Muslim peoples very open to the gospel. They also have repeatedly experienced the protection of Muslims (who have, up to this point, not given their lives to Christ) when the radical Muslim bands come by to look for the Christian "infidels."

Foolish provocation of Muslims does not honor the example of Christ and endangers the ministries of those who, like Christ, seek to win the lost.
 

matt wade

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Use common sense. You know what you're doing.

BTW, how's your church search going?

Use common sense instead of Crabby sense? No...that wouldn't be any fun!

Church search is over...forgot to update. It's updated now for all you stalkers ;).
 

HankD

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This is absolutely true. However I hope you realize that this cuts both ways:

Their (that is, Christians who deliberately antagonize Muslims) favorite tactic is to provoke a people or culture to anger (by burning a Qur'an or denying religious liberty to Muslims) then blame the provoked (the Muslims) for the retaliating.

Muslims definitely need to be more thick-skinned and also realize that the actions of some wingnut Christians do not represent all of us, but I have a hard time making that case when most of "conservative" American Christendom seems to do exactly the same thing.

In John 5, Jesus went to visit the Samaritans who had established a rival temple and were despised by most Jews of the day. The Samaritans had no great love for the Jewish people either. When Jesus was speaking with the woman at the well, she turned the conversation off of herself and onto the burning religious question of the day: whether to worship in the Samaritan temple of the Jewish temple. Jesus answered her question directly, but went on to reveal that there was much more to Worship than the location. He also explicitly revealed Himself to be the Messiah.

Did Jesus go up to the center of Samaritan worship and disrupt it? Nope. Did he work to offend the Samaritans so He could somehow prove He and the Jewish people were better than the Samaritans? Nope. Did he complain about the Samaritans contempt for the Jews and use that as an excuse not to love them? Nope. Did He simply write off all of the Samaritans as a lost cause? Nope.

He extended His love to them, told the truth, and they responded.

I know several people who serve as Christian missionaries in some of the Islamic countries we hear about on the news. For the most part, they have found the Muslim peoples very open to the gospel. They also have repeatedly experienced the protection of Muslims (who have, up to this point, not given their lives to Christ) when the radical Muslim bands come by to look for the Christian "infidels."

Foolish provocation of Muslims does not honor the example of Christ and endangers the ministries of those who, like Christ, seek to win the lost.

Yes, I know that human nature plagues every culture, race, religion, etc... it's global.

What about the murder, autrocities and mutilations of Christians by muslims in Nigeria, Egypt, The philippines, etc, etc...

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

And that's what we are talking about in this thread, human nature and how it manifests itself in the world of islam and how to deal with the unregenerate in that realm when they come knocking at your door or knocking down our buildings and killing innocent civilians.

If you want to talk about the love of the Triune God and how to participate in His plan to save muslims then we can start a thread about that as well.

I do and have witnessed to muslims on more than one occassion.

Usually it is politely ignored or cordially tolerated but in one case my life was threatened because I told an islamic man that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh and that He died for our sins. He told me that there is no greater blasphemy than to say Jesus is God in the flesh and that I deserved to die.

The Gospel is indeed foolishness to those who are perishing, however radical islam carries it to the ultimate extreme in retaliation, your death.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.​

It goes beyond denial, they not only deny Him but are duty bound to kill you for affirming Him.

Jesus Christ and the Gospel in and of themselves are provocations to murder for radical islam.

HankD
 
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sag38

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It makes me want to throw up when our own citizens blame the actions of radical Muslims on the actions of the United States. Tim's cartoon illustrates the disparity quite well. Yet, they continue preaching their false "Jesus wouldn't bomb anyone" theology. And, to think there are men and women who died defending their right to preach this peacenick hooey. Thank God this kind of teaching wasn't as prevalent during WWII or we else would be speaking a mixture of German and Japaneses.
 

ReformedBaptist

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I agree with most here. What has surprised me the most is the reactions of these Muslims. There is a serious insanity on display to see someone burn a Koran and then the response is to go out and murder people.

For a people to claim they worship The Most Merciful and The Most Loving, their hypocrisy is appaling. May the Lord comfort the Christians who are suffering and turn many Muslims away from Islam to Jesus who truly is most merciful and most loving.
 

HankD

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Please note I use the term "radical" Islam.

The problem is that young muslim men in arabic countries are relatively easy to radicalize.

The blame lies with the sheikhs and imams.

HankD
 

rbell

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Well, we must have made some good points.

Crabby left again.

The weaker his argument, the quicker his departure.
 

rbell

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Given that he's in Europe right now, his schedule might not mach up with yours because of the time zone.

Maybe so.

But he does have a habit of disappearing after he's called out on particularly weak arguments.

And make no mistake...the "Christians asked for it" argument is historically and rhetorically about as anemic as it gets.
 

FR7 Baptist

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Maybe so.

But he does have a habit of disappearing after he's called out on particularly weak arguments.

And make no mistake...the "Christians asked for it" argument is historically and rhetorically about as anemic as it gets.

Do we really have to go through this every time he posts? I've gotten into it with people on this board, including you, but I've never had a situation where I get accused of disappearing on a regular basis and on the rare occasion I do, that usually prompts me to reply.
 

Crabtownboy

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Do we really have to go through this every time he posts? I've gotten into it with people on this board, including you, but I've never had a situation where I get accused of disappearing on a regular basis and on the rare occasion I do, that usually prompts me to reply.

Those saying I disappear never seem to think about the fact that I am 6 hours ahead of the East Coast and 9 hours of the West Coast. Should I accuse them of disappearing when they do not respond because it is 2:00 a.m. there. I think not.

Let us get back to the question I posed that no one so far has addressed:

Should a Christian consider how their acts, especially extreme acts, will impact the safety of the property or lives of Christians living in Islamic countries?

Unless I missed an answer no one has answer that question.
 

Don

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Should a Christian consider how their acts, especially extreme acts, will impact the safety of the property or lives of Christians living in Islamic countries?
Of course they should. But the decision lies with whether action or inaction will bring disgrace upon God, not with whether it will harm themselves or other Christians.
 
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