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Budgetary Savings from Military Restraint

KenH

Well-Known Member
I'm confused.

Just because something is constitutional doesn't mean should spend wildly on it. Also, I'm just saying how the majority of the American people will react to cutting domestic spending but not cutting defense/war spending. If I had my way I would cut total federal spending by probably around 90% - not overnight obviously as it would take decades to undo the last approximately 80 years in the growth of the size and scope of the federal government.
 

targus

New Member
Just because something is constitutional doesn't mean should spend wildly on it. Also, I'm just saying how the majority of the American people will react to cutting domestic spending but not cutting defense/war spending. If I had my way I would cut total federal spending by probably around 90% - not overnight obviously as it would take decades to undo the last approximately 80 years in the growth of the size and scope of the federal government.

And how would you allocate that 10% of current spending?
 

poncho

Well-Known Member
And North Korea has a nut job for a leader and is willing to subject it's population to any hardship for political purposes.

Size of the economy is not really and issue when China is willing to supply their military.

North Korea isn't the only country with nut job leaders that are willing to subject their own population to any hardship for political purposes.

Look at what the nutjobs in DC are subjecting our population to for political purposes.

In no particular order, the following are 75 ways that the U.S. government, state governments, local governments and the financial elite will be sucking even more of the life blood out of the American people in 2011.... ARTICLE

I think it boils down to a question of how much of our own country and people are we willing to sacrifice to "protect" the world? Our own nutjob leaders have put us on the edge of collapse. All they want is more more more. There is no more.

Besides, we could have a top notch military protecting our own interests without having the current global sprawling interventionist policy we've been building up to since WW2. I believe in having a strong military defense. Like you say there are alot of nutjobs out there we need to be protected from, I just don't think the way we are going about it now is sustainable for much longer.

The military budget is going to have to be reduced if we are to survive our latest national suicide attempt imho. Seems like it would be more a matter of what to keep rather than what to get rid of at this point.

We aren't going to be able to sustain a "global footprint" for much longer if we don't make some hard choices now and even then do we really need a global footprint today with all our military technology? I believe all that could be put to much better use protecting us without having to be all over the world breaking the bank to do it.
 
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KenH

Well-Known Member
If federal spending was a low as I would prefer then even after significantly reducing defense/war spending the spending for that area would much more than 34% of total federal spending.
 

rbell

Active Member
Well, whaddaya know: three points of agreement between Ken & Rbell:

1. 90% cut
2. Unfortunately, would take a while to get done (if done all at once, catastrophic repercussions).
3. Dig up Calvin Coolidge and put him in office. Far and away one of the most underrated presidents from any era. (And look back--I was giving him props before it was fashionable!)
 

Don

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Well, whaddaya know: three points of agreement between Ken & Rbell:

1. 90% cut
2. Unfortunately, would take a while to get done (if done all at once, catastrophic repercussions).
3. Dig up Calvin Coolidge and put him in office. Far and away one of the most underrated presidents from any era. (And look back--I was giving him props before it was fashionable!)
Actually, I agree as well...as long as we emphasize point #2.

Oddly enough, point #2 is what Obama is now claiming is why his policies aren't working....
 

John Toppass

Active Member
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We definitely need to reduce the budget deficit. The most expensive money consuming yearly expense in the history of this nation is Obama and the blindly following liberal in congress. We can get a good start and do something about this next month.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
We can get a good start and do something about this next month.

I hope so, but it looks like all we may get is another bunch of Republicans who talk limited government in campaigns but then govern big government-style. The GOP has never followed through on reducing the size and scope of government in my entire life so there is no reason to think it will do so this time if it wins back control of the House this year and the Senate and the presidency in 2012.

Fiscal sanity will only come to Washington, D.C., when it is forced on the politicians because of economic necessity, not because the politicians campaign on it.
 

rbell

Active Member
I hope so, but it looks like all we may get is another bunch of Republicans who talk limited government in campaigns but then govern big government-style. The GOP has never followed through on reducing the size and scope of government in my entire life so there is no reason to think it will do so this time if it wins back control of the House this year and the Senate and the presidency in 2012.

Fiscal sanity will only come to Washington, D.C., when it is forced on the politicians because of economic necessity, not because the politicians campaign on it.

The Big Question: Will the public stay engaged through this process? And if the Republicans fail...will we find another option rather than a re-shift back to the Democrats (which are getting us to ruin even faster than the GOP)?
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
The Big Question: Will the public stay engaged through this process? And if the Republicans fail...will we find another option rather than a re-shift back to the Democrats (which are getting us to ruin even faster than the GOP)?

Well, rbell, so far ever since the War Between the States the voters have only swung back and forth between the Republicans and the Democrats - and the country has not been well-served by this. Even though we think we have a great system, the American people are given fewer choices on the ballot than the voters in lots of other democratic systems. Third parties and independents are required to spend a great deal of money and effort to just get on the ballot which the two major parties get for nothing. The GOP began as a third party in the 1850s. Today the GOP would have a hard time even getting on the ballot if it was not an old established party.
 

glfredrick

New Member
Well, rbell, so far ever since the War Between the States the voters have only swung back and forth between the Republicans and the Democrats - and the country has not been well-served by this. Even though we think we have a great system, the American people are given fewer choices on the ballot than the voters in lots of other democratic systems. Third parties and independents are required to spend a great deal of money and effort to just get on the ballot which the two major parties get for nothing. The GOP began as a third party in the 1850s. Today the GOP would have a hard time even getting on the ballot if it was not an old established party.

The American people are given NO choices on the ballot. They are given the opportunity to select people based on campaigns and the primary system, which selects the persons who will ultimately be on the ballot. If there is no good choice, then the blame rests squarely on the people who do or do not work the system as designed and intended by our Founders.

Same goes with term limits for elected candidates. The public controls the length of time that any given candidate serves. We can un-elect them during any election cycle where they are up for a vote. That some have held their seats for decades only means that people in opposition have not risen up and taken care of business.

In truth, we have the best political system on earth, but because the responsibility for our government rests squarely on the backs of the people -- and the people are either "dumbed down," "uninterested," or otherwise disaffected from the political world, we often do not get the best candidates and have to suffer the effects of the "lesser of two evils" ballot that we so often see. "We the people," in large sense, have given over our rights to those who would steal and hold power for their own gain, and that largely because we either do not understand our own political system, fail to participate in our own political system, or because we are duped into voting a certain way by promises that are essentially meaningless based on popularity or other factors (like party choice apart from actually examining the voting record of the candidate) that limit our choices to those we do not care to elect.

Want true change? Find the right candidate, work for he or she, and get out the vote. Want status quo and a party that has been largely in power since the 1930s? Just continue to buy into political slogans and fail to actually understand the issues and direction of each of the two major parties and the primary system that delivers those candidates.
 

rbell

Active Member
One start: If you receive government welfare (not earned money such as SS you put in, or military wages, etc.), you shouldn't get to vote.

Conflict of interest.
 

Bob Alkire

New Member
One start: If you receive government welfare (not earned money such as SS you put in, or military wages, etc.), you shouldn't get to vote. Conflict of interest.

Wasn't it at one time in many states you had to own property to vote and in many states you had to pass a literacy test.

I agree with your above statement to a point.
 
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