The Fall of Adam and Eve

[webdog]

Bobby, I think where you are confusing the issue post fall is in God telling Eve due to their sin her desire will be that of her husband (to usurp his authority) and his will be to dominate her (both sin).

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

Bobby, I think where you are confusing the issue post fall is in God telling Eve due to their sin her desire will be that of her husband (to usurp his authority) and his will be to dominate her (both sin).

Makes sense.
So I guess the only thing that still alludes me

Did Adam personally witness the deception/temptation or not?

 

[webdog]

Not sure we will know this side of Heaven. He could have, or she could have told him the story, or she could have just told him where the fruit came from. What we do know is he was not deceived, he knew he was eating the fruit from the tree God commanded him not to eat from

 

[glfredrick]

gl gave a good explanation. I could have done that, but I'm just not as talky. :laugh:
Strange for a woman huh? Did I say that?

I have a problem with being "talky." :saint:

 

[glfredrick]

Makes sense.
So I guess the only thing that still alludes me

Did Adam personally witness the deception/temptation or not?

Most of the conservative commentaries that I've read indicate, from context, that Adam was present and knew what was happening.

They base that on this:

3:6b ...she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

Why did Adam not stop her? We're not told specifically. We can speculate, for instance, neither understood what the word "die" really meant, because (from a tet-driven young earth creation perspective) they had seen nothing die, and so had no consciousness of the penalty; or perhaps because they had no concept of "lie" they did not know that the words of the serpent were infact not truthful. But, to adopt either of these views is to say something that Scripture does not tell us.

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

Most of the conservative commentaries that I've read indicate, from context, that Adam was present and knew what was happening.

They base that on this:

3:6b ...she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

Why did Adam not stop her? We're not told specifically. We can speculate, for instance, neither understood what the word "die" really meant, because (from a tet-driven young earth creation perspective) they had seen nothing die, and so had no consciousness of the penalty; or perhaps because they had no concept of "lie" they did not know that the words of the serpent were infact not truthful. But, to adopt either of these views is to say something that Scripture does not tell us.

That makes sense. I still kind of look at it as he didn't stop her because he wasn't in her direct presence. Once he saw what she did, and noticed nothing negative happened then he joined in. No deception towards him, just flat out disobedience towards God.

Thanks.

 

[Iconoclast]

Adam forfeit his right as head of the wife and failed to protect his home.
[QUOTE 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve;(A)

14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but [the] woman who was deceived and deluded and fell into transgression.(B)

][/QUOTE]

22The wives! to your own husbands subject yourselves, as to the Lord,

23because the husband is head of the wife, as also the Christ [is] head of the assembly, and he is saviour of the body,

24but even as the assembly is subject to Christ, so also [are] the wives to their own husbands in everything.

25The husbands! love your own wives, as also the Christ did love the assembly,