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Calvinism and Fundamentalism?

Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Rhetorician, Nov 17, 2010.

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  1. Tom Bryant

    Tom Bryant Well-Known Member

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    Truth is I am quite calm about it. I'm not the one calling people psychos. You did. Name calling is is usually the first thing people do when they are very angry.

    btw, I am no more a fundamentalist in the commonly accepted definition of that term than you are a psychiatrist. The OP was about Calvinists being the new fundamentalists, you and the others started the attack on fundamentalists. If I respond to your broad brush attacks then i am the one who needs the pill?

    You think that your examples are the majority of fundamentalists, I don't. I have lived with them. I have worked for them and with them. I no longer do because the modern variation of fundamentalists see my use of non-KJV Bibles, contemporary music and pastoring a SBC church a departure from the faith. They're wrong about me and wrong about you. But the majority of them are not psychos or loonies.
     
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  2. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Luke, you put this thread in a Fundamentalist Forum Room & your calling them nuts. Remember there are good folks and bad folks in any group, including us Reformed type..... Please consider that prior to making blanket statements.
     
    #22 Earth Wind and Fire, Nov 17, 2010
  3. Luke2427

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    Hey bud, I didn't start this thread. And you are just repeating what I said- that there are good folks and bad folks in IFB- that's nearly exactly what I said. No blanket statements. Keep up.:thumbs:
     
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  4. Luke2427

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    OK, Tom. Nobody said the majority of them were psychos, Bud. There are plenty of psychos among them has been my consistent position throughout these exchanges. Furthermore, I apologize- you do not need to chill- perhaps I do.

    You are a great debater, very intelligent, classy and I do not wish to insult you. That was not my intention. If I did, please accept my sincerest apology.
     
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  5. Jerome

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    Homegrown Northern IFB data:

    from Kenneth H. Good, Are Baptists Calvinists? (survey of GARBC pastors)

    How do you identify yourself?

    Hyper-Calvinist (1)
    Five-Point Calvinist (174)
    Four-to-Five Point Calvinist (43)
    Four-Point Calvinist (430)
    Calvinistic (27)
    Sovereignity of God (5)
    Biblicist (20)
    Arminian (1)
    Other (108)

    Do you consider the mainstream of Baptist thought and life to have been:

    essentially Calvinistic (694)
    essentially Arminian (13)
    both Calvinistic and Arminian (16)
    other (54)
     
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  6. glfredrick

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    Perhaps it would be better all around if we leave out the ad hominem attacks.

    They really serve no purpose except to derail yet another interesting thread.

    We can disagree with the theology (even vehemently) without working to tear down the persons who hold that system.
     
    #26 glfredrick, Nov 17, 2010
  7. Tom Bryant

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    No apology was ever needed. I never felt insulted.

    I looked at the Phil Kidd website. I wish I could have seen what he preached but he wanted me to pay for his sermons... like that was going to happen. :tongue3:
     
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  8. Tom Bryant

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    From Baptist Press about the new Barna study that shows number of Calvinist/reformed pastors.
     
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    How does the Presbyterian Church USA get into this paragraph when they are Westminister Confessions of Faith? Where is that data comming from?"

    47 percent of pastors of mainline churches (American Baptist Churches, Evangelical Lutheran Churches in America, the Episcopal Church, the United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church USA, and United Church of Christ) named their congregations as Wesleyan or Arminian compared to 29 percent of mainline pastors who chose a Reformed or Calvinist label.
     
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    Maybe that data is comming from someone who realizes that that a church can be Westminster Confessions of Faith as well as mainline?
     
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    Great post. I wholeheartedly agree.
     
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  12. Dr. Bob

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    Truth or Dare? You know how childish your post sounds?

    What exactly does this have to do with my statement "As to the utter falsehood that the AV translators were "calvinists" I cannot allow such nonsense to be considered by some to be correct."

    Or

    "They were 100% Anglican Catholic."

    I stand by both.

    As for your straw man (Beza = TR = text of Anglican Version) this is patently false.

    The actual eclectic blend of texts used by the Anglicans to translate was destroyed. No copy of their unique blend exists. There are marked differences in the text they used.

    Always find the only-sect mentality (AV is the ONLY or TR is the ONLY) to fall flat on historic fact.

    Which "Beza" text? I have seen 9 distinct blends, all with his name (starting with the third edition of Estienne and edited nine times between 1565 and 1604).

    The Textus Receptus comes from the publisher's preface to the 1633 edition produced by the Elzevir, 20 years AFTER the Anglican translation.

    All this has been hashed and rehashed in the Versions Forum. The AV did NOT use the anachronistic TR of 20 years later!
     
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  13. Luke2427

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  14. Luke2427

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    I am not KJV-only by any means, BTW.

    Here is a source written by someone undermining KJV-onlism saying the same thing about Beza
     
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    And in my hyperbole (in constant fight with the "only" mentality) I rush in where angels fear to tread.

    Apologies extended for my language and broad-brushing.
     
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  17. Luke2427

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    I appreciate that. I think too much of your knowledge and theology to want to be at odds with you. In fact I don't want to be at odds with anyone.

    thanks for all you do for baptistboard.
     
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    NO my point is how do you get Wesyians in there....why would an arminian want to go to a Calvinistic Church?
     
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    It doesn't say that 47% of PCUSA pastors described their congregations as Wesyian/Arminian. It doesn't say any did.
     
    #39 Jerome, Nov 19, 2010
  20. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Heck its Friday....NEVER MIND:tongue3:
     
    #40 Earth Wind and Fire, Nov 19, 2010
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