Women Preachers

This isn't true. Sorry but it isn't. There are clear NT examples of women leading in certain circumstances. Also there are documents of the first century showing female leadership in larger society. Not being snarky this just isn't true. Paul didn't just write these letters for men only.

 

Please don't keep interpreting me that way. I'm obviously not saying to toss anything out of the Bible. This is a completely skewed misrepresentation.

 

From the Washington Post, Oct. 12, 1935

This is Capitol Hill Baptist Church (SBC, home of 9Marks Ministries).

From the CHBC website:

 

Scripture is very clear that woman is to be--literal translation--the absolute despot of her house.

So guess she CAN rule it well.

Women are NOT to usurp authority from the men--coming in, snatching it out of their hands, dominating and domineering.

That isn't at all the same thing as not pastoring. Pastors do not rule, they lead (biblically).

I'm going to stand with those northern plains Bible women of long ago and tell the women to do whatever God calls them to do.

And if you disapprove of women pastors, stay out of churches pastored by women.

But that means more of you guys better buy some snuggies and get out into the harvest field instead of going on and on about your exalted positions.

 

...but only within the church, right? These "male headship" theories are not so universal that they would apply to government, workplaces, etc. Of course not.:thumbs:

 

I think it more of an exageration of your point more than a misrepresentation. Yes we will have difficulties and disagreements. That doesn't mean we can't be brothers/sisters in Christ. However, you have failed to address the scriptures that teach that Christ is the head/source of man and man is the head/source of woman. The scriptures go on the list many responsibilities of both the man and woman.

Pauls states that a decon must have demonstrated proper "rule of the household". So, the question is, does the scripture teach in any way that a woman is to be the head or ruler of the household?

If it does. Then she can be a deacon or pastor. If it does not, then she can not. I have presented a logical argument with scripture suporting. If you need references I can look them up, but I am aware that you have enough knowlege of the scripture to know my argument quite well.

I await your response.

 

From the Baptist Bulletin, periodical of the fundamentalist General Association of Regular Baptist Churches.

Nov/Dec. 1934 issue:

 

Has anyone brought this up yet?

Romans 16 NASB

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea; ​

Ok now, the word "servant" is diakonos here. But instead of being translated as "deacon" or deaconess , the word servant is used. But this is not the Greek word for servant.

Then it gets worse. Read more of the chapter. (KJV)

1I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

2That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

3Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: ​

I havent heard a satisfactory explanation yet as to why these "women" held positions, especially Phoebe.

 

Acts 18:18-19 is interesting.

18 Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchrea because of a vow he had taken. 19 They arrived at Ephesus, where Paul left Priscilla and Aquila. He himself went into the synagogue and reasoned with the Jews. (NIV 1984)​

Note that Phoebe was from the church at Cenchrea (Romans 16:1), as quoted above.

I have to go outside and put down some salt on the ice. Later tonight I want to see if these two verses (Acts 18:18-19) can be dated on some kind of timeline with the other passages we have been discussing.

...Bob

 

The ESV calls Phoebe Paul's patron.

 

Well, I sure do appreciate people taking the time to share their views. For those who are taking the actual words to mean what they say, another question comes to mind. For those of you who follow the words as given to mean for all cultures and for all time, how do you handle this verse:

I would think, then, that we have a conflict with married women having jobs outside the home.

I also am left to wonder if a woman who testifies and leads a man to accept Jesus was sinning all the time she was testifying. For those women who preached- as some other posts have reported - were they sinning while teaching the Word of God?

Please understand that I am wrestling with this. Don't take me for a troll, because these are genuine questions from me.

May God bless you for helping me further. raying:

 

Oh, if only the saved would allow scripture to interpret itself. I see in many instances you have done so. I like you cannot fathom a mature Christian to just completely disregard Jesus Christ's instructions from heaven.

All we can do is endeavor to further enlighten those in the Body of Christ. In this instance you have kept the faith, staying true to the Word, Jesus Christ our Lord in heaven.

 

Sorry, but I do not understand your post. What are you saying? Please help an old man understand.

...Bob

 

Scripture please where a WIFE can do as she pleases, and still remain true to her role as a complete woman (one without a head).

Women in many cases can do things that turn out all right, and that is OK as long as the husband does not protest. But a woman that disobeys her husband, and he protests, are you saying this is what scripture will uphold?

 

I truly thank you for your response. To clarify for me, then, the fact that you ALSO work inside your home,you meet the instructions of "working in your home?" If that is the case, then the only way NOT to comply with this verse is if the married woman never works in her home.

I'm sure from the way you phrased your response, that you are kind.

Can I get you to tell my wife know how to do that "submissive" thing? Most of my statements end with "yes, ma'am.":smilewinkgrin:

 

My wife and I get along well together. I am not over her and she is not over me. We are together one in Him.

Sorry, I am old and don't change readily, but culture does, and if we don' consider culture in biblical conversations, then we are missing much of the intent. Paul may have illustrated a situation using Adam and Eve, but Adam and Eve were never to be duplicated period. That era ended! Get on with life.

Cheers,

Jim