Which Sins?

[preacher4truth]

Which sins did Christ die for? I would like to get your personal Scriptural views concerning which sins our Lord Jesus Christ died for, which ones He did not die for &c.

My main interest is in the question did He die for the believers future sins committed after salvation and why or why not you believe so, and how this applies to your soteriological view of His death and your sin.

This will include the choice for whom He died for and for whom He did not die. I wish to understand more concerning these views.

Be Christian and gracious in your answers. Some would like to learn others views without it turning ugly, myself included. This can broaden our understanding of what our Savior accomplished for us.


- Blessings

 

[Zenas]

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. The shed blood of Jesus covers all the sins of all mankind for all times. Does this mean that all sins were forgiven at the cross? Certainly not! The atonement has been made but we must avail ourselves of the grace made possible through the atonement. When we are saved, all our past sins are forgiven. However, we must continue to go back to the reservoir of grace by asking for forgiveness of future sins. Any other approach to this question makes a mockery of 1 John 1:9 and much other scripture.

 

[preacher4truth]

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. The shed blood of Jesus covers all the sins of all mankind for all times. Does this mean that all sins were forgiven at the cross? Certainly not! The atonement has been made but we must avail ourselves of the grace made possible through the atonement. When we are saved, all our past sins are forgiven. However, we must continue to go back to the reservoir of grace by asking for forgiveness of future sins. Any other approach to this question makes a mockery of 1 John 1:9 and much other scripture.

But He did die for our future sins, correct, or no?

If a believer does not confess his or her sins now, what then happens to the believer, only loss of fellowship?

All of our future sins are not also forgiven, at the time of salvation?

 

[PastorGreg]

At the moment of salvation, all my sins; past, present, and future are judicially forgiven - I will not pay the penalty for them. The sinless Lamb of God suffered the wrath of the Father for all my sins. Praise His holy name!
My current sins (future at the time of my salvation) break fellowship with my Father. This is restored by confession. He is good!

 

[Amy.G]

But He did die for our future sins, correct, or no?

If a believer does not confess his or her sins now, what then happens to the believer, only loss of fellowship?

All of our future sins are not also forgiven, at the time of salvation?

If He didn't die for all sins (past, present and future) then He needs to be crucified over and over and over........

The only sin that is not forgiven is the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

 

[preacher4truth]

At the moment of salvation, all my sins; past, present, and future are judicially forgiven - I will not pay the penalty for them. The sinless Lamb of God suffered the wrath of the Father for all my sins. Praise His holy name!
My current sins (future at the time of my salvation) break fellowship with my Father. This is restored by confession. He is good!

I agree 100%...and yes all praise and power and Glory goes to and belongs to Him alone!

 

[preacher4truth]

If He didn't die for all sins (past, present and future) then He needs to be crucified over and over and over........

The only sin that is not forgiven is the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

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[kyredneck]

Him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor 5:21

“Then in the glass of His decrees,
Christ and His bride appeared as one;
Her sin, by imputation, His,
Whilst she in spotless splendour shone.”

Thanks be to God I am as righteous as Christ. Oh, I may well suffer terribly in this time world on account of my sin, but never in the next to come.

 

[Zenas]

But He did die for our future sins, correct, or no?

Yes, that's what I said. "The shed blood of Jesus covers all the sins of all mankind for all times."

If a believer does not confess his or her sins now, what then happens to the believer, only loss of fellowship?

The loss of fellowship thing is something I have seen often on this board and elsewhere in connection with 1 John 1:9, but not in the Bible. This passage talks about sin and forgiving of sin, not about fellowship.

All of our future sins are not also forgiven, at the time of salvation?

Of course not. Go back and read what I said. The nature of your question sounds like you didn't read it.

 

[preacher4truth]

Yes, that's what I said. "The shed blood of Jesus covers all the sins of all mankind for all times."
The loss of fellowship thing is something I have seen often on this board and elsewhere in connection with 1 John 1:9, but not in the Bible. This passage talks about sin and forgiving of sin, not about fellowship. Of course not. Go back and read what I said. The nature of your question sounds like you didn't read it.

I thoroughly read what you said. You made this statement:

"Does this mean that all sins were forgiven at the cross? Certainly not!"..."When we are saved, all our past sins are forgiven. However, we must continue to go back to the reservoir of grace by asking for forgiveness of future sins."

(emphasis mine)

Thus, I questioned you on if He forgave us for all of our future sins then, at salvation. Your above statement seems a bit contradictory, and perhaps now you can clearly see why I posed those questions to you. Looking at your statement suggests praying for forgiveness of future sins. I think you mean present sins?

Also, 1 John 1 supports the idea of fellowship, so 1:9 can be interpreted to be talking of our walk, and our fellowship with Him. We can't restrict the verse to only itself, but instead should interpret it in light of the context of the passage.

 

[kyredneck]

..... only loss of fellowship?...

Not picking on you because I think I know what you mean, I just wanna make this point; 'loss of fellowship' could well pan out to be 'hell on earth' if God so deems it, IMO.

Scriptural glimpse into loss of 'fellowship' [timely salvation]:

to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Cor 5:5

Another one; these two had made shipwreck of the faith, and yet they were turned over to Satan so that they might be taught:

holding faith and a good conscience; which some having thrust from them made shipwreck concerning the faith: of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I delivered unto Satan, that they might be taught not to blaspheme. 1 Tim 1:19,20

 

[preacher4truth]

Not picking on you because I think I know what you mean, I just wanna make this point; 'loss of fellowship' could well pan out to be 'hell on earth' if God so deems it, IMO.

Scriptural glimpse into loss of 'fellowship' [timely salvation]:

to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Cor 5:5

Another one; these two had made shipwreck of the faith, and yet they were turned over to Satan so that they might be taught:

holding faith and a good conscience; which some having thrust from them made shipwreck concerning the faith: of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I delivered unto Satan, that they might be taught not to blaspheme. 1 Tim 1:19,20

Certainly there are levels of severity of judgment upon our sin. Good point.

 

[Old Union Brother]

I'm just going to stick to scripture and let God do the interpretation. In 1st John:

2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

I'm thinking that if we use these scriptures as proof scriptures then we we need to ask a couple of questions.

1. What is the meaning of propitiation as used in 1 John 2:2?

2. Who or what is the whole world?

I am beginning a word study on these two words as used in these scriptures. Please let me know what you think. I am not trying to hijack the thread but I think that understanding these words may shed some light on the OP. I'll get back to you with my thoughts later.

 

[preacher4truth]

I'm just going to stick to scripture and let God do the interpretation. In 1st John:

2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

I'm thinking that if we use these scriptures as proof scriptures then we we need to ask a couple of questions.

1. What is the meaning of propitiation as used in 1 John 2:2?

2. Who or what is the whole world?

I am beginning a word study on these two words as used in these scriptures. Please let me know what you think. I am not trying to hijack the thread but I think that understanding these words may shed some light on the OP. I'll get back to you with my thoughts later.

Let us know what you come up with, and your sources. There is a lot of debate on propitiation/expiation, and their differing meanings and implications. Also let us know what you come up with concerning "world" here, and probably what it entails in other parts of Scripture.

 

[webdog]

Oops, I forgot to check #3.

 

[preacher4truth]

Oops, I forgot to check #3.

Yep. Now its official. You are a hairy tick!

You know you wanted to check #4, closet Calvinist.

:wavey: :laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

Also let us know what you come up with concerning "world" here, and probably what it entails in other parts of Scripture.

"World" can refer to the earth and all that is in it which was created by God".

But most of the time it refers to sinful mankind.


Do your own word study dude. :laugh:

 

[preacher4truth]

"World" can refer to the earth and all that is in it which was created by God".

But most of the time it refers to sinful mankind.


Do your own word study dude. :laugh:

"'World' can refer to the earth..." Wow. Really? So deep! :thumbsup:

:laugh:

Hey, no commenting without voting, chicken.


:wavey:

 

[Amy.G]

"'World' can refer to the earth..." Wow. Really? So deep!

Ain't it though?


Ok. I voted. I ain't no stinkin chicken!



I didn't vote for the last one because I wasn't sure of your point and figured you were asking a trick question. :laugh:

 

[preacher4truth]

Ain't it though?


Ok. I voted. I ain't no stinkin chicken!



I didn't vote for the last one because I wasn't sure of your point and figured you were asking a trick question. :laugh:

Wow. I saw. You're not as hairy tickle as I thought!!!

Why a chicken gotta be stinkin?

:laugh:

Trick questions? Where? How?

:tongue3: