Knowledge, Wisdom, Theology and Understanding

[Old Union Brother]

Education never caused a man to preach or understand the deep things of the scripture, neither did ignorance. With that said, almost every post, almost every thread on the Baptist Board has turned into I’m right and you are wrong and it is implied that this is true because I have a seminary education and you don’t. (Although it won’t be admitted). By the way I don’t have one. If a person truly wants to be educated over the deep things of the scripture, then prayer and supplication to God is where we need to start.

If our theology comes from anywhere other than what says the word of God it has come from the wrong place. I am not slamming any “great” theologian but if we read his book, whose theology are we getting? I’ll let you answer that one. When I have questions I go to God, He provides the answers one way or another. read into that anything you want. I see very little evidence of prayer going on over the posts that are made. I’m just as guilty as the next person. Should not all of our talks and discussion on this board be to the edification of and the glory of God?

A couple of more thoughts:
Where does wisdom and knowledge come from? I’ll let the scripture answer that one
(Pro 9:10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

And as I have said many times before:
It is not about me, it is not about you. It is all about the one that came suffered and died and set us free by His atoning blood.

 

[preacher4truth]

Education never caused a man to preach or understand the deep things of the scripture, neither did ignorance. With that said, almost every post, almost every thread on the Baptist Board has turned into I’m right and you are wrong and it is implied that this is true because I have a seminary education and you don’t. (Although it won’t be admitted). By the way I don’t have one. If a person truly wants to be educated over the deep things of the scripture, then prayer and supplication to God is where we need to start.

If our theology comes from anywhere other than what says the word of God it has come from the wrong place. I am not slamming any “great” theologian but if we read his book, whose theology are we getting? I’ll let you answer that one. When I have questions I go to God, He provides the answers one way or another. read into that anything you want. I see very little evidence of prayer going on over the posts that are made. I’m just as guilty as the next person. Should not all of our talks and discussion on this board be to the edification of and the glory of God?

A couple of more thoughts:
Where does wisdom and knowledge come from? I’ll let the scripture answer that one
(Pro 9:10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

And as I have said many times before:
It is not about me, it is not about you. It is all about the one that came suffered and died and set us free by His atoning blood.

Brother, I respect you for one reason, and love you for one reason: Because you are a brother.

Whether you had an education, or not, I respect you because you are a brother.

What you said is correct.

I also concur it is all about Him. I said so on another thread, and am being taken to task as what I said is "untrue" or "a lie." If our dear brother would go back and re-read my posts, he'd see I already said what he said. Instead he's going on a blind rant. :laugh:

You try to turn it toward Christ, say the same things a brother says which he didn't read, and instead of turning it toward Christ and actually reading and actually agreeing, it turns into a "you're wrong!!!!" tirade.

Some can't do that, they read half your post, and address that part only, yet are "experts" of contextual analysis. Somehow, they feel that what you have said is a complete exhaustive analysis. :BangHead:

Yep. The objective is "he must be wrong, because I am always right" so they don't read the entire thread, nor can they admit you've actually said the same things they are now saying, while thinking they're teaching you. Unreal.

 

[Luke2427]

Education never caused a man to preach or understand the deep things of the scripture, neither did ignorance. With that said, almost every post, almost every thread on the Baptist Board has turned into I’m right and you are wrong and it is implied that this is true because I have a seminary education and you don’t. (Although it won’t be admitted).

I don't think anyone is saying that or implying it. I think it is the way that some folks take it who do NOT have a seminary education. I think it tends to be the result of insecurity that every time an educated person speaks in favor of education that an uneducated person FEELS like he is saying ALL SORTS of things that he is not at all saying.

BTW, I DON"T have a seminary education.

By the way I don’t have one. If a person truly wants to be educated over the deep things of the scripture, then prayer and supplication to God is where we need to start.

This sounds spiritual and what we like about it is it levels the playing ground if it is true. We don't, especially as Americans, LIKE to think of anyone having anything on us.

This is particularly true when it comes to religion. But God DOES NOT give wisdom via osmosis. He gives it through the painful toil of study.

Ask God to give you a paycheck and refuse to go work for it saying that those who DO work for it don't have anything on those who just PRAY for it. It doesn't work that way with money NOR does it work that way with knowledge.

SEMINARY is NOT necessary to understand the Word of God. But the more tools one equips himself with to dig deep into Scripture, the deeper he can dig.

Seminary is one of the best tools available for that in this modern era.

There are things you cannot grasp without a working knowledge of the originals, etc...

I don't think it is noble or biblical to discount the ADVANTAGE a good seminary training gives one over the AVERAGE layman.

It seems like one is saying, "I CAN DO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO BETTER; I CAN DO ANYTHING BETTER THAN YOU!"

By and large this is simply not true and to say it is, is error and a lack of humility.

The humble man admits when others trump in in some fashion. The ARROGANT man cannot admit it. He finds the idea DISDAINFUL. It infuriates him to even CONSIDER such a thing.

If our theology comes from anywhere other than what says the word of God it has come from the wrong place.

Sure this is true, but God raises up theologians to help us to get things FROM THE WORD OF GOD.

God has given some the gift of teaching to edify the body.

To deny this because one wants to think that no one knows anything more than he does is arrogance.

Once again, one does not have to go to seminary to be able to teach- but a good seminary is one of, if not THE, best tools out there to equip one for teaching ministry.

I am not slamming any “great” theologian but if we read his book, whose theology are we getting? I’ll let you answer that one.

If he is a good theologian then his insight comes from the Word of God. he is one that God has gifted to be a teacher. Those who are to be taught by those God has raised up as teachers should humbly receive his instruction rather than pretend that he has no advantage, whatsoever.

When I have questions I go to God, He provides the answers one way or another. read into that anything you want.

It denies the call for teachers.

I see very little evidence of prayer going on over the posts that are made. I’m just as guilty as the next person. Should not all of our talks and discussion on this board be to the edification of and the glory of God?

Prayer would be good and we could all be a bit nicer. But TRUTH is the goal- not edification. TRUTH edifies. Our goal is to hash these ideas out and see which ones stand up to the scrutiny.

Debate is not fellowship. We have a fellowship forum for that kind of thing.

A couple of more thoughts:
Where does wisdom and knowledge come from? I’ll let the scripture answer that one
(Pro 9:10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

The fear of the Lord leads to humility. Humility is not saying- "I can know just as much as you without doing all of that studying business."

And as I have said many times before:
It is not about me, it is not about you. It is all about the one that came suffered and died and set us free by His atoning blood.

And the more we know about him, the more tools we equip ourselves with to exegete Him, the more service we can do for him, and the more we can magnify him.

 

[SRBooe]

May I be permitted to point out that man has not taught me about God. What some of you have done, and I sincerely thank you for it, is lead me back into scripture.

That is why I am here.

 

[preacher4truth]

The humble man admits when others trump in in some fashion. The ARROGANT man cannot admit it. He finds the idea DISDAINFUL. It infuriates him to even CONSIDER such a thing.

So true. The arrogant can't admit that, when he addressed a brother wrongly, and never actually read that the one he is addressing, actually said the same things. That is arrogance and ignorance in action, all in one.

:wavey:

 

[preacher4truth]

May I be permitted to point out that man has not taught me about God. What some of you have done, and I sincerely thank you for it, is lead me back into scripture.

That is why I am here.

So when you go to church, no one has ever taught you about God?

 

[Luke2427]

So true. The arrogant can't admit that, when he addressed a brother wrongly, and never actually read that the one he is addressing, actually said the same things. That is arrogance and ignorance in action, all in one.

:wavey:

I apologize. I hate we can't get past this arrogance business. I suppose you have called me arrogant more than a dozen times since you joined.

I may indeed have missed some of the things you said- for that I am sorry.

I hope somehow you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

 

[Luke2427]

May I be permitted to point out that man has not taught me about God. What some of you have done, and I sincerely thank you for it, is lead me back into scripture.

That is why I am here.

Are you a pastor?

Have you been given the gift to teach?

If not you may be in rebellion against God- because he has raised up teachers to teach you.

If you think you don't need what God says you need- that is problematic.

 

[preacher4truth]

I apologize. I hate we can't get past this arrogance business. I suppose you have called me arrogant more than a dozen times since you joined.

I may indeed have missed some of the things you said- for that I am sorry.

I hope somehow you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

I can absolutely forgive you and do since you are admitting to misrepresenting me.

I call you what you act like to get your attention. I'm sure that away from your computer you are much more docile.

Actually take time to read what I say, as I do you, before responding, it's becoming of us to do so.

Sometimes people on here are actually right. Amazing aint it!!!!?

I lubzya man!

Now, go preach something good!

:thumbs:

 

[Luke2427]

I can absolutely forgive you and do since you are admitting to misrepresenting me.

I call you what you act like to get your attention. I'm sure that away from your computer you are much more docile.

Actually take time to read what I say, as I do you, before responding, it's becoming of us to do so.

Sometimes people on here are actually right. Amazing aint it!!!!?

I lubzya man!

Now, go preach something good!

:thumbs:

Preaching this morning on "A God of New Things" (preparing for New Years)

"Behold I make all things new."

God delights to do this.

He designed life in such a way that we receive greatest joy from new things:
A new born baby, a new job, marriage signifying the new life two have together, a new discovery, etc...

We delight in those things because God delights in those things.

He delights to make all things new.

I. New Birth
II. New Name
III. New Song
IV. New Home

 

[preacher4truth]

Are you a pastor?

Have you been given the gift to teach?

If not you may be in rebellion against God- because he has raised up teachers to teach you.

If you think you don't need what God says you need- that is problematic.

My feelings is the attitude he exemplifies is somehow supposed to be akin to being super spiritual.

Don't it sound super humble at the same time? :thumbs:

I have learned a lot concerning God from many many people. Preachers, books, commentators and such. I am indebted.

And also, of course through reading and meditating upon His Word. As a matter of fact, very often, whatever I am studying, I'll turn on the radio, open a book, and see more about this subject as though God is helping me and leading me along. That right there is a feeling full of awe and lends itself to us being thankful to Him for it and Glorifying Him.

 

[Luke2427]

My feelings is the attitude he exemplifies is somehow supposed to be akin to being super spiritual.

Don't it sound super humble at the same time? :thumbs:

I have learned a lot concerning God from many many people. Preachers, books, commentators and such. I am indebted.

And also, of course through reading and meditating upon His Word. As a matter of fact, very often, whatever I am studying, I'll turn on the radio, open a book, and see more about this subject as though God is helping me and leading me along. That right there is a feeling full of awe and lends itself to us being thankful to Him for it and Glorifying Him.

Exactly. This is why God raised up teachers- to edify us.

They do when we let them.

What a blessing it is to be able to turn on the radio or subscribe to a podcast and be fed by great men who God has gifted to teach us.

What a tremendous blessing which those who are too arrogant to recognize and submit themselves under this gift miss!

 

[preacher4truth]

Exactly. This is why God raised up teachers- to edify us.

They do when we let them.

What a blessing it is to be able to turn on the radio or subscribe to a podcast and be fed by great men who God has gifted to teach us.

What a tremendous blessing which those who are too arrogant to recognize and submit themselves under this gift miss!

If you don't already have it, check out bott radio network. Is that the station you listen to? You can listen to them online too.

One of my favorite preachers on there is Erwin Lutzer. I also like John MacArthur Jr.


http://www.bottradionetwork.com/

 

[kyredneck]

Education never caused a man to preach or understand the deep things of the scripture, neither did ignorance. With that said, almost every post, almost every thread on the Baptist Board has turned into I’m right and you are wrong and it is implied that this is true because I have a seminary education and you don’t. (Although it won’t be admitted). By the way I don’t have one. If a person truly wants to be educated over the deep things of the scripture, then prayer and supplication to God is where we need to start.

If our theology comes from anywhere other than what says the word of God it has come from the wrong place. I am not slamming any “great” theologian but if we read his book, whose theology are we getting? I’ll let you answer that one. When I have questions I go to God, He provides the answers one way or another. read into that anything you want. I see very little evidence of prayer going on over the posts that are made. I’m just as guilty as the next person. Should not all of our talks and discussion on this board be to the edification of and the glory of God?

A couple of more thoughts:
Where does wisdom and knowledge come from? I’ll let the scripture answer that one
(Pro 9:10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

And as I have said many times before:
It is not about me, it is not about you. It is all about the one that came suffered and died and set us free by His atoning blood.

Amen Brother Jeff. Good post, and needed.

 

[kyredneck]

I love the attitudes I'm seeing displayed here. Praise the Lord.

 

[SRBooe]

So when you go to church, no one has ever taught you about God?

When I was a child and was dragged to church, the god I heard about is not the God I know now.

I learned about Jesus on my own, reading for myself, thousands of miles from home. Now I find myself listening to people who create rules for congregation members that do not agree with scripture, yet they are not questioned by the church body. Afterall, the "Preacher said......."

I don't find scripture too difficult unless I read one written in old English.

What people do for me is peak my interest.

 

[Old Union Brother]

What people do for me is peak my interest.

I understand exactly what you are saying. People who say or write something I don't understand causes me to pray, read, study, and discuss scriptures with others. If I am sincere in my endeavors God will supply.

 

[preacher4truth]

When I was a child and was dragged to church, the god I heard about is not the God I know now.

I learned about Jesus on my own, reading for myself, thousands of miles from home. Now I find myself listening to people who create rules for congregation members that do not agree with scripture, yet they are not questioned by the church body. Afterall, the "Preacher said......."

I don't find scripture too difficult unless I read one written in old English.

What people do for me is peak my interest.

Again, no one has ever taught you about God?

:thumbs:

 

[Steven2006]

"Knowledge, Wisdom, Theology and Understanding"

Some of the greatest wisdom I have gleaned from others, has been by watching the examples they set, in how they lived their lives.

It is so very easy to find someone willing to tell others what is right, or what is best to believe. It is much harder to find people that will daily live their lives in a consistent Godly way, displaying what the scriptures teach.

I have been so very blessed to have known a handful of people who have influenced me greatly by doing so.

 

[luke1616]

Education never caused a man to preach or understand the deep things of the scripture, neither did ignorance. With that said, almost every post, almost every thread on the Baptist Board has turned into I’m right and you are wrong and it is implied that this is true because I have a seminary education and you don’t. (Although it won’t be admitted). By the way I don’t have one. If a person truly wants to be educated over the deep things of the scripture, then prayer and supplication to God is where we need to start.

If our theology comes from anywhere other than what says the word of God it has come from the wrong place. I am not slamming any “great” theologian but if we read his book, whose theology are we getting? I’ll let you answer that one. When I have questions I go to God, He provides the answers one way or another. read into that anything you want. I see very little evidence of prayer going on over the posts that are made. I’m just as guilty as the next person. Should not all of our talks and discussion on this board be to the edification of and the glory of God?

A couple of more thoughts:
Where does wisdom and knowledge come from? I’ll let the scripture answer that one
(Pro 9:10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

And as I have said many times before:
It is not about me, it is not about you. It is all about the one that came suffered and died and set us free by His atoning blood.

:thumbs::thumbs::applause::jesus: