The Triune God

[Alive in Christ]

Freeatlast...

How do they get the point across wonderfully when you nor anyone else has a clue as to how there can be one God and three persons claiming to be God?

Thats...the...whole...point...of...my response to Martin!

As christians we understand that the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are the 3 distinct persons who ARE the one God...yet its not 3 Gods.

That is a bit beyond our understanding, yet we accept it because it is what the scriptures teach.

So a lost person, or another believer, comes along and they show interest, and they ask questions.
When Gods triune nature comes up, we witness to them as best we can, given our limitations.

These examples like the "water/ice/steam/ one, and the "egg/yoke/shell" one are good and profitable ways to give a reasonable answer..in picture form..to help them to understand.

...at least until some "trinitarian heretic hunter" comes along accusing these dear ones of being a "sabballeinist heritic" of some sort.

And they do that IN SPITE OF the fact that they themselves ADMIT that the doctrine of the trinity is a mystery!!

In other words, its a mystery...except that I have it all figured out, and you are wrong. :laugh:

Its just pitiful.

Its very seldom that I "get all revved up"...but something like this will usually do the trick :wavey:

Sorry!

AiC

 

[walkbyfaith]

How do they get the point across wonderfully when you nor anyone else has a clue as to how there can be one God and three persons claiming to be God?

Is God a person? Is the Holy Spirit a person? No, of the 3 only Jesus was a flesh and blood person.

 

[Amy.G]

Is God a person? Is the Holy Spirit a person? No, of the 3 only Jesus was a flesh and blood person.

God is a person.
Jesus is a person.
The Holy Spirit is a person.

They are all referred to in scripture as "He".

Three persons, one God.

 

[Amy.G]

I didn't say it was the Trinity, I said it's the best aid in understanding the Trinity.

Two persons, one flesh.

Three pesons, one God. Similar kind of thing.

I don't see marriage as a valid way to understand the Trinity. Marriage is always the picture of Jesus and the church, or in the OT, God and Israel.

 

[Old Union Brother]

God is a person.
Jesus is a person.
The Holy Spirit is a person.

They are all referred to in scripture as "He".

Three persons, one God.

Can a person be defined as a spirit? In John 2:24 Jesus clearly says that God is a Spirit

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Just asking?

 

[Alive in Christ]

Is God a person? Is the Holy Spirit a person? No, of the 3 only Jesus was a flesh and blood person.

Only Jesus walked the earth as a human being.

But Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father are all "persons."

 

[charles_creech78]

Only Jesus walked the earth as a human being.

But Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father are all "persons."

Do you agree that Jesus was the word of God?

 

[freeatlast]

Is God a person? Is the Holy Spirit a person? No, of the 3 only Jesus was a flesh and blood person.

When scripture deals with any of the three it uses personal pronouns so yes all three are persons.

 

[charles_creech78]

Can a person be defined as a spirit? In John 2:24 Jesus clearly says that God is a Spirit

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Just asking?

Look at what you just said!!!! A person must Worship God in spirit and in truth How can a person worship God in spirit and in truth if they have no spirit or be defined a spirit? For God spirit bare witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God. Think about it! How do you worship God?

 

[freeatlast]

Freeatlast...



Thats...the...whole...point...of...my response to Martin!

As christians we understand that the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are the 3 distinct persons who ARE the one God...yet its not 3 Gods.

That is a bit beyond our understanding, yet we accept it because it is what the scriptures teach.

So a lost person, or another believer, comes along and they show interest, and they ask questions.
When Gods triune nature comes up, we witness to them as best we can, given our limitations.

These examples like the "water/ice/steam/ one, and the "egg/yoke/shell" one are good and profitable ways to give a reasonable answer..in picture form..to help them to understand.

...at least until some "trinitarian heretic hunter" comes along accusing these dear ones of being a "sabballeinist heritic" of some sort.

And they do that IN SPITE OF the fact that they themselves ADMIT that the doctrine of the trinity is a mystery!!

In other words, its a mystery...except that I have it all figured out, and you are wrong. :laugh:

Its just pitiful.

Its very seldom that I "get all revved up"...but something like this will usually do the trick :wavey:

Sorry!

AiC

Your statement is simply incorrect. it would be correct if you say you as a Christian believes that all three are distinct persons, but not all Christians believe that. One more thing. Just because you believe that does not make it so. There is no scripture making that statement so it is simply your opinion.

 

[Old Union Brother]

Look at what you just said!!!! A person must Worship God in spirit and in truth How can a person worship God in spirit and in truth if they have no spirit or be defined a spirit? For God spirit bare witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God. Think about it! How do you worship God?

I stand corrected

 

[Alive in Christ]

Freeatlast...

Your statement is simply incorrect.

You are entitled to your opinion.

it would be correct if you say you as a Christian believes that all three are distinct persons, but not all Christians believe that.

I am aware of that.

One more thing. Just because you believe that does not make it so.

Well, of course not. My conviction isnt something I dreamed up. It comes from my understanding of the scriptures.

There is no scripture making that statement so it is simply your opinion.

And thats only YOUR opinion.

I believe the scriptures DO make clear that what I am advocating is indeed true.



Just curious...Would you by any chance be a Oneness Pentecostal?


AiC

 

[Aaron]

I don't see marriage as a valid way to understand the Trinity. Marriage is always the picture of Jesus and the church, or in the OT, God and Israel.

If you take this to it's logical conclusion, then you'll be saying just what I said. Christ prayed concerning the church, And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one, John 17:22. So, it is husband and wife standing together in a covenant relationship as one flesh that is made in the image of God.

 

[Alive in Christ]

freeatlast...

There is no scripture making that statement so it is simply your opinion.

It is in the scriptures, as Amy pointed out earlier, that ALL THREE members of the Godhead are referred to as HE.

The Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all referred to as He.

They are, all 3 of them, persons.


AiC

 

[charles_creech78]

freeatlast...



It is in the scriptures, as Amy pointed out earlier, that ALL THREE members of the Godhead are referred to as HE.

The Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all referred to as He.

They are, all 3 of them, persons.


AiC

No they are ONE!

 

[Alive in Christ]

No they are ONE!

Yes. These 3 persons ARE the one God.

 

[Amy.G]

Yes. These 3 persons ARE the one God.

Yes. And this is very hard for a mere human to comprehend, if not impossible.

 

[walkbyfaith]

I dont know where some of you get this stuff. The fact that they are referred to as "He" dont make them a person. I have a dog who is a he, but that dont make him a person.

The Scripture clearly defines god as a Spirit. How can you argue against Scripture?

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Those are Jesus' words. Some other verses:

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

2Co 3:18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Can anyone show me a scripture that says God is a person, other than the vague "He" thing?

 

[Amy.G]

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Can anyone show me a scripture that says God is a person, other than the vague "He" thing?

What you are saying is at best unorthodox and at the worst heretical.

A person has a will, intellect and emotions, is self aware. These are not qualities of animals.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit have all these qualities.

 

[walkbyfaith]

What you are saying is at best unorthodox and at the worst heretical.

A person has a will, intellect and emotions, is self aware. These are not qualities of animals.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit have all these qualities.

Asking for Scriptural evidence of what you claim to be truth is not unorthodox or heretical. I see you failed to post any Scripture to back up your opinion.

The dog thing was just an example. But since you bring it up, my dog does have a will.....he is one hard headed Beagle. He has emotions and intellect too, and I'm pretty sure he is aware of himself. Of course, he does not have any of these things to the degrees that we do. Just as we do not have them to the degree that He does.