[SIZE=+0]"[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]M[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]en have one nature at a time"[/SIZE] post #45What part of that post even suggests that?
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[SIZE=+0]"[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]M[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]en have one nature at a time"[/SIZE] post #45What part of that post even suggests that?
If that is the case then where did the second nature come from?Well the spirit we call satan who was once Lucifer was in a perfect state at his creation.
[SIZE=+0]"[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]M[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]en have one nature at a time"[/SIZE] post #45
If that is the case then where did the second nature come from?
I was not "aware" of that particular statement, however, I have "happened" upon many statements of Mr. Calvin that I would gladly nod in agreement with. It is very simply the "system" of which his conclusions directed him to make with which I humbly and certainly do not find myself in agreement with.
What is the origin of Satan?
The scriptures clearly tell us Satan was created perfect.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Satan was perfect until iniquity was found IN HIM. The evil did not originate outside Satan, it originated within himself.
Of course, this must give a Cal/DoG a problem as they do not believe anything can originate outside of God. But this clearly tells us evil originated from within Satan himself.
I completely agree with you here Winman, but the "gnawing" question is this:
Did that evil "found" in him originate with himself, or was it a matter of God's sovereign design to create him with that seed?
Well, I have my own thoughts on that, I am sure some will disagree.
How can God create anything absolutely perfect? Only he is absolutely perfect, and therefore anything he would create must be inferior to himself.
Now, I know that sounds terrible as though God could not create something good. He could and did, the angels and men were created sinless. But they could not be perfectly Holy, that would be equal with God himself which is impossible.
This is one reason I disagree with those who say God could have made man without the ability to sin. Only God has the quality of being perfectly Holy.
Interesting thoughts, will have to ponder them.
For now, I am one of those "simpleton" "free willers" who is convinced that God created man with such to give "meaning" to love, adoration and worship.
"Dualism" is the term when there is both good and evil. But evil, like "dark," "cold," and other terms of like nature is not "something." It is the lack of something, in this case good or more precise, God. There is no dualism with God. Therefore, your proposition does not work.
God's permissible will can allow His absence, but there is no such thing as creating evil, so there is no way that God (man, devil, etc.) could create evil.
Yes, it does work, though I would not personally use the word "created". And it is not dualism.
Since evil is the absence of goodness and goodness is all of God, then in order for evil to exist, God had to purposefully remove his goodness from the place that he intends for evil to come to be.
That action of removing goodness is the ultimate cause of the existence of evil. That is the case even if you fully embrace the Augustinian argument for the problem of evil.
If you are so confident of your systematic theology then interpret 1 Sam 16:14-23 and tell us where the evil spirit is from without abolishing scripture.I am a rather staunch Reformed theologian, and I say that it is heresy and blasphemy to say that God is the author of sin.
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did you know my friend that this statement of your...
to deny that god should/could have known that "evil" would be an inevitable reality in creation is to deny god's omscience. On the other side of the coin, to claim that god "created" sin and its consequences as a method for him to be glorified assaults the spiritual senses of many.
... Also included john calvin? He admitted that it was repulsive to reason.... I believe he called it (decretum horrible)
You guys never cease to liken the physical to the spiritual do you? Yes, darkness is lack of light, and cold is lack of heat, but this is physical.
The spiritual is moral, it does not have physical properties. Evil is not something you can look at under a microscope.
You guys need to find a new way to explain things.
no one is saying that god is the author of sin!!!
This is straw man!
Your just not smart enough to get it, Winman.
You just insinuated that every philosopher and theologian in history is an idiot.
What does that make you?
Your just not smart enough to get it, Winman.
You just insinuated that every philosopher and theologian in history is an idiot.
What does that make you?
Thank you for sharing that with me.
Some of those you quote are.
Someone who can think for himself.
Apparently it makes him stupid.
Why is this behavior tolerated?????????
If this keeps up all the bb members with manners will eventually leave the board and all that will be left is....well you know.