Calvin and Holy Spirit

[Jarthur001]

It has been said...

some of our brethren mistakenly elevate Calvin to the supreme authority on all matters even surpassing Paul and the Holy Spirit.

Being that sola scriptura was the battle cry of the reformation, it would seem that placing Calvin on the same level as Scripture, or higher than Scripture as in this case, would not follow the teachings of Calvin, who clearly hold to sola scriptura. I have never met such a person.

Would someone give me a quote from a Calvinist that makes such a claim. It does not even have to state that Calvin's words are higher. I would take a quote from a Calvinist that states Calvins words are the same as Scripture as proof.


Anyone?

ADDED......

I do understand I have left the door wide open, and that someone could have said this. I have never read it, and I have read many theologians. I'm just asking if ANY ONE has read this and can give us a quote, being that many more people have read books I have not. There must be someone that has said this, if indeed this is the facts.

 

[quantumfaith]

It has been said...

Being that sola scriptura was the battle cry of the reformation, it would seem that placing Calvin on the same level as Scripture, or higher than Scripture as in this case, would not follow the teachings of Calvin, who clearly hold to sola scriptura. I have never met such a person.

Would someone give me a quote from a Calvinist that makes such a claim. It does not even have to state that Calvin's words are higher. I would take a quote from a Calvinist that states Calvins words are the same as Scripture as proof.


Anyone?

ADDED......

I do understand I have left the door wide open, and that someone could have said this. I have never read it, and I have read many theologians. I'm just asking if ANY ONE has read this and can give us a quote, being that many more people have read books I have not. There must be someone that has said this, if indeed this is the facts.

Jarthur,

I seen multiple times here in BB land the statement, "Cavinism is the Gospel", while I "think" I understand the rhetoric and intention, it does serve to give some just a bit of a lofty idea and others to make claims (false as they may be) that somehow Calvinistic Theology is "equivalent" to the Gospel.

All theologies no matter how well systematized (or poorly so) are mans attempt to interpret and give meaning to the message of scripture.

 

[BobinKy]

JArthur001...

Publishing the following quote by Spurgeon can be misleading--even if the intent is to interpret Spurgeon's troubling statement. Most people read headlines, few people read content. Ask any newspaper publisher.

...Bob

www.spurgeon.org

"The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."—C. H. Spurgeon​

www.puritanfellowship.com

Charles Spurgeon: "...there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism.... Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else." Charles Spurgeon-A Defence of Calvinism​

My Two Cents [blog]: Dear Don: “Calvinism Is the Gospel.”

"I have my own private opinion, that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism. Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. . . . " Attributed to C. H. Spurgeon​

In the Hedge with David J [blog]: Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else

“I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross“ (Charles Spurgeon, The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol. 1, 1856).​

www.swordandtrowel.org: Why I Am a Calvinist (Part 2). . . and why every Christian is a Calvinist of sorts

Part II: Spurgeon: “Calvinism IS the Gospel”​

 

[Amy.G]

Posted by Aaron:

Calvinism is Christianity.

I thought Christ is Christianity. But that's because I'm not significantly sharper than the average church goer.

 

[MB]

Isa 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

MB

 

[StefanM]

Statements such as "Calvinism is the gospel" are excessive, IMO. A better statement would be "Calvinism is biblical," if one believes it to be.

It's a subtle distinction in language, but there is a palpable difference in using a predicate nominative vs. a predicate adjective.

 

[webdog]

Posted by Aaron:


I thought Christ is Christianity. But that's because I'm not significantly sharper than the average church goer.

I was just going to post that from here http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1634852&postcount=69

The irony is JArthur demands other non cal's come to his rescue to support what I believe to be a hyperbolic statement by logos...yet I have yet to see him come to a non-cal's defense when we are deemed "self salvationists" or that we serve "another god" which were NOT done hyperbolically.

What was that saying about someone living in a glass house?

 

[Jarthur001]

Jarthur,

I seen multiple times here in BB land the statement, "Cavinism is the Gospel", while I "think" I understand the rhetoric and intention, it does serve to give some just a bit of a lofty idea and others to make claims (false as they may be) that somehow Calvinistic Theology is "equivalent" to the Gospel.

All theologies no matter how well systematized (or poorly so) are mans attempt to interpret and give meaning to the message of scripture.

IT IS...the gospel. Nothing wrong with that statement. What is it based on??? CALVIN?? NO

The BIBLE. If Calvin said something wrong reject it. This is what Calvinist do.

So..where is the supreme authority?????

again i ask for a quote that says..

elevate Calvin to the supreme authority on all matters even surpassing Paul and the Holy Spirit.

 

[webdog]

IT IS...the gospel.

Why do you need any further quotes, you admit it yourself! You have elevated calvinism on par with God's Word.

The Gospel is salvation by grace through faith. Calvinism is a theory trying to explain the Gospel. It is NOT the Gospel.

 

[Jarthur001]

JArthur001...

Publishing the following quote by Spurgeon can be misleading--even if the intent is to interpret Spurgeon's troubling statement. Most people read headlines, few people read content. Ask any newspaper publisher.

...Bob

www.spurgeon.org

"The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."—C. H. Spurgeon​

www.puritanfellowship.com

Charles Spurgeon: "...there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism.... Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else." Charles Spurgeon-A Defence of Calvinism​

My Two Cents [blog]: Dear Don: “Calvinism Is the Gospel.”

"I have my own private opinion, that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism. Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. . . . " Attributed to C. H. Spurgeon​

In the Hedge with David J [blog]: Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else

“I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross“ (Charles Spurgeon, The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol. 1, 1856).​

www.swordandtrowel.org: Why I Am a Calvinist (Part 2). . . and why every Christian is a Calvinist of sorts

Part II: Spurgeon: “Calvinism IS the Gospel”​

none of those statements place Calvins writings above the Bible.

The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God.

What did they preach??? The Bible

Calvin was not born when Augustine preached.
Calvin was not born when Paul teached...

So what is this saying? It is saying that the same doctries that Paul preached....the same that Calvin preached....is what he preached.

Based on Calvin??

No

Based on the Bible.

so.....

show me where someone has said...

Calvin is supreme authority on all matters even surpassing Paul and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jarthur001]

Why do you need any further quotes, you admit it yourself! You have elevated calvinism on par with God's Word.

The Gospel is salvation by grace through faith. Calvinism is a theory trying to explain the Gospel. It is NOT the Gospel.

it is...

This is not the same as CALVINs words.

Dont you get it??

 

[Jarthur001]

I was just going to post that from here http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1634852&postcount=69

The irony is JArthur demands other non cal's come to his rescue to support what I believe to be a hyperbolic statement by logos...yet I have yet to see him come to a non-cal's defense when we are deemed "self salvationists" or that we serve "another god" which were NOT done hyperbolically.

What was that saying about someone living in a glass house?

So...flat out.

do you agree with logos?

 

[webdog]

it is...

This is not the same as CALVINs words.

Dont you get it??

Apparently you don't get it.

 

[webdog]

So...flat out.

do you agree with logos?

I would need to know if he meant' Calvin's theology which he packaged into a nice little flower that you follow.

 

[Jarthur001]

Apparently you don't get it.

web...you and others hate when the gospel is said to be Calvinism. That part I understand.

Gospel is a word that tells of salvation. Calvinism is another word used by some to tell of salvation.

The gospel is based on the Bible
Calvinism is based on the Bible.

I understand that some disagree with that last statement. They see the Bible verses saying other things. But no one in their right mind would say that Calvinist do not go to Scripture to prove their faith. We post verses...just as no Calvinist do. Both sides disagree....but both use Scripture.

Do you disagree?

 

[Jarthur001]

I would need to know if he meant' Calvin's theology which he packaged into a nice little flower that you follow.

let me be clear...

He said...

Calvin's words are viewed higher than Holy Spirit to Calvinist.

Do you agree?

 

[Amy.G]

web...you and others hate when the gospel is said to be Calvinism. That part I understand.

Gospel is a word that tells of salvation. Calvinism is another word used by some to tell of salvation.

The gospel is based on the Bible
Calvinism is based on the Bible.

I understand that some disagree with that last statement. They see the Bible verses saying other things. But no one in their right mind would say that Calvinist do not go to Scripture to prove their faith. We post verses...just as no Calvinist do. Both sides disagree....but both use Scripture.

Do you disagree?

The Gospel says that Christ died for all men.
Calvinism says that Christ died for some men.

Two different gospels.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Gospel says that Christ died for all men.
Calvinism says that Christ died for some men.

Two different gospels.

Thats pretty flat out if you asked me....what say you Jarthur!

 

[webdog]

web...you and others hate when the gospel is said to be Calvinism. That part I understand.

Gospel is a word that tells of salvation. Calvinism is another word used by some to tell of salvation.

The gospel is based on the Bible
Calvinism is based on the Bible.

I understand that some disagree with that last statement. They see the Bible verses saying other things. But no one in their right mind would say that Calvinist do not go to Scripture to prove their faith. We post verses...just as no Calvinist do. Both sides disagree....but both use Scripture.

Do you disagree?

Yes I disagree. The Gospel is FOUND in the Bible. Calvinism is an explanation of the Gospel. Apples and oranges.

Calvinism is merely the mechanics of how we arrive at the Gospel truth. Apparently you and I are both believers in the Same Gospel, yet are on two different roads in arriving to the truth that we have. If you claim your theology is the Gospel, the only alternative is mine is not, meaning I cannot be a believer in the Gospel.

Do you believe that?

 

[webdog]

The Gospel says that Christ died for all men.
Calvinism says that Christ died for some men.

Two different gospels.

Also, the Bible says God so love the world. James likes to point out how much God hates Esau.