Catholic doctrine vs Calvinist.

[Jarthur001]

The Roman Catholic Church made it clear that they were not Calvinist. I want to look at a few canon's from the Council of Trent and see what you think.


(The Roman Catholic Council of Trent, The Sixth Session: Justification)

Canon IV. If any one saith, that man's free will moved and excited by God, by assenting to God exciting and calling, no-wise co-operates towards disposing and preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; that it cannot refuse its consent, if it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive; let him be anathema.​

Canon V. If any one saith, that, since Adam's sin, the free will of man is lost and extinguished; or, that it is a thing with only a name, yea a name without a reality, a figment, in fine, introduced into the Church by Satan; let him be anathema.​

Do you agree or disagree with the Roman church on this one?






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[quantumfaith]

The Roman Catholic Church made it clear that they were not Calvinist. I want to look at a few canon's from the Council of Trent and see what you think.


(The Roman Catholic Council of Trent, The Sixth Session: Justification)

Do you agree or disagree with the Roman church on this one?






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Don't "understand" the first one. Second one....count me in.

 

[Jarthur001]

Don't "understand" the first one. Second one....count me in.

part one is called synergism.

2nd....You agree that Calvinist are of Church by Satan and consigned to damnation???? hummm

 

[Word of Truth]

[offensive remark removed]

 

[kyredneck]

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.....you're making one dandy of a first impression here Wisconsin.......

Why not answer the question?

 

[kyredneck]

part one is called synergism.....

ahhh, thank you, that indeed it is. That explains a lot. It's the connection to the Roman church that the free willer/non cal/arminians wishes to avoid in their resistance to that label SYNERGISM.

Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.


Now I understand. Thanks again.

 

[Jarthur001]

edit.

I wouldn't worry about this guy. He is just a troll. Maybe someone we know here that has gone out and made a name for himself.

 

[quantumfaith]

part one is called synergism.

2nd....You agree that Calvinist are of Church by Satan and consigned to damnation???? hummm

1. Yes, I believe man has an obligation of faith, confession and belief, so yes...label me a synergist

2. I agree in "free will" being a part of God's purpose and design. I personally will make no such "judgements" about those who disagreed with this, rather leaving that up to the deity.

 

[kyredneck]

.....label me.....

....and that I do respect.

 

[Cypress]

I agree with both sans let him be anathema.:love2:

 

[Robert Snow]

part one is called synergism.

2nd....You agree that Calvinist are of Church by Satan and consigned to damnation???? hummm

How honest of you it to ask a question, pretending to be sincere, and then put words in the mouth of those who answer it the way you don't want it answered?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Roman Catholic Church made it clear that they were not Calvinist. I want to look at a few canon's from the Council of Trent and see what you think.


(The Roman Catholic Council of Trent, The Sixth Session: Justification)

Do you agree or disagree with the Roman church on this one?






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Jarther! WHAT are you up to now brother? ROFL

 

[Old Union Brother]

Jarther! WHAT are you up to now brother? ROFL

I suspect baiting non-Cals:tonofbricks::tonofbricks:

 

[kyredneck]

I suspect baiting non-Cals:tonofbricks::tonofbricks:

heheh....as if non-Cals wouldn't do the same?.....

 

[Jarthur001]

How honest of you it to ask a question, pretending to be sincere, and then put words in the mouth of those who answer it the way you don't want it answered?

it is dishonest, if I did as you said.

This is why I asked. Surely he didn't mean that he agreed with the whole statement, as he had said. Now...you said I put words in his mouth.

Let us review.

Canon V. If any one saith, that, since Adam's sin, the free will of man is lost and extinguished; or, that it is a thing with only a name, yea a name without a reality, a figment, in fine, introduced into the Church by Satan; let him be anathema.

Those words are IN THE STATEMENT!! I didn't place them there. This is what QF said he agreed with. THEREFORE puzzled.

Lets see who is honest here.

 

[Jarthur001]

Jarther! WHAT are you up to now brother? ROFL

The Roman Catholic Council of Trent is something that many Baptist have never read. As we go through this document, it will become clear what theology is the closer to RCC. I bring this up for many reasons. One reason, in the past it has been said that Calvin is a RCC reject teaching RCC doctrines. While some doctrines we ALL will agree on, those that stand in the greatest opposition will be in the area of salvation, which was what gave us the Reformation.

We have already seem monergism of the reformation rejected here by some. Synergism was what Erasmus (RCC) came up with in his debate with Luther and what the Pope and the RCC followed later at Trent.

I have a lot of work a head of me today, but once I have time, I hope to go through all the key canons of Trent.

 

[Jarthur001]

I suspect baiting non-Cals:tonofbricks::tonofbricks:

maybe you could say this. But only to have others talk about it. History is good for everyone.

 

[Robert Snow]

it is dishonest, if I did as you said.

This is why I asked. Surely he didn't mean that he agreed with the whole statement, as he had said. Now...you said I put words in his mouth.

Let us review.



Those words are IN THE STATEMENT!! I didn't place them there. This is what QF said he agreed with. THEREFORE puzzled.

Lets see who is honest here.

You understood that in him agreeing with the second statement did not mean he agreed that anyone who didn't agree with him was damned to eternal hell. Or, why did you ask if anyone agreed with a statement no one would agree with completely. You are baiting us non-cal's into a argument, something you do often.

 

[quantumfaith]

You understood that in him agreeing with the second statement did not mean he agreed that anyone who didn't agree with him was damned to eternal hell. Or, why did you ask if anyone agreed with a statement no one would agree with completely. You are baiting us non-cal's into a argument, something you do often.

Robert, I did agree with the statement and also after "childish chiding" clarified and qualified. Let him do with it whatever he wishes. His thoughts are not mine.

 

[Robert Snow]

Robert, I did agree with the statement and also after "childish chiding" clarified and qualified. Let him do with it whatever he wishes. His thoughts are not mine.

You are correct, but I don't like bullies. It is almost impossible ro me not to stand up to them.