freeatlast
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This is what will bring this nation down as we know it, not the terrorists.
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MTA Violating 4th Amendment Rights
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This is what will bring this nation down as we know it, not the terrorists.
Then just say you dont want to answer my question.
freeatlast
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I always try and answer. Sometimes I do miss a question. What exactly were you asking?
I'm not talking about taking the nation down - I'm talking about taking PEOPLE down. I'm all for life.
Bill, I am so glad you are giving us the BARE facts :tongue3:
So I assume that "I'm going to Heaven and I cant Wait" is not one of your favorite choruses?
freeatlast
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I'm not talking about taking the nation down - I'm talking about taking PEOPLE down. I'm all for life.
I understand what you are talking about, but the way you want to do it is to take down the nation as it was founded. If you feel safe you do not care if others suffer their loss of freedoms and rights. I want people safe, but not at that expense. I want different methods to be used and at the same time protect our nations liberties and freedoms.
Let's look at the airline industry - or the MTA - you pick. Just how would you propose to keep people safe? Honestly, I think today it's harder and harder to do so.
freeatlast
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[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]I agree it is harder and harder, but not impossible and stripping away our rights is not the answer. Stripping them away may be easy, but it is not the solution. Once they are gone they will never return and worst it opens the door for more to be taken. First the airlines are not safe. The holes in the security is an outrage this long after 911, and the people have been duped into a false sense of security by the socialist agenda forcing the nation to give up her rights and freedoms. The same kind of mind set was used to bring Nazi Germany to the place it came. I would also point out that the next step will be body cavity bombs. Remeber it does not matter to a terrorist if they blow up from the outside or the inside. Do you want a full body cavity search to get on a plane? Please answer. It could mean you would be safer.
Now a different method: First nothing is full proof and especially the current methods. However a system that is at least equal with the current one, and I think safer, and that does not rip away our rights, freedoms and dignity is far better. Also I am not against the full body searches for a just cause, but not for random reasons as is being done now. I am against the body scanners for every person except non citizens, as they are an invasion of privacy. Every non citizen should have to go through the full body scans and the full body pat downs, no exceptions. Yes this is a form of profiling and I am totally for it with the non citizen.
When you go to jail or are arrested you get a full body pat down. In fact you usually remove your clothing and spread wide for a visual, but not everyone who goes out for a drive gets one nor do people get pulled over and one given at random. Even if we do get pulled over unless there is reason to believe that this person is dangerous or they are cuffed and arrested they are not given a body search. It should be no different to travel.
Every bag, carry on or checked package should be scanned. This is not the case even today. There is nothing wrong with the metal detectors.
Let TSA or MTA use basic passenger-reservation data to identify the riskiest travelers and single them out for extra attention — the same data that customs officials already use at the border, but not random without cause searches or scans. Evasive body scans and or body searches just to travel on certain types or any type of public transportation is not what this nation is about.
Another way is the Las Vegas model. Big casinos employ some of the tightest security standards on the planet, yet almost all of it remains hidden behind the scenes.
Security personnel constantly monitor hundreds of cameras. The officers are highly trained to recognize suspicious activity and their plain-clothes men colleagues on the casino floor can appear instantly out of seemingly nowhere to nip a potential incident or crime in the bud.
Another is the Israel method. Also the government agencies need to be linked with all the data on those who have already been identified as possible threats. The system needs to be automatically used to check every person who checks in.
These are some, but mostly it needs to be done by record checks, and personal evaluation. Not random checks that strips away every persons rights.
All this working collectively to give a reasonable method of security, which we do not have today, without ripping away the freedoms and rights and dignity of the citizens.
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First things first.
The basis for your complaint is that the government is doing the searches. That implies that you would have no complaint if an airline or and airport employee did the searces?
Is that so?
Correct, because the airlines would not be violating my rights and I could choose another airline.
Then I would either consent to the search or I would find another way to travel.
And I suggest that you're not capable of understanding the difference between a government overstepping its authority and forcing an illegal search on a citizen and an agreement between a citizen and a private entity.
Typically, we drive everywhere, anyway. With nine of us, flying is prohibitive and driving is more enjoyable, anyway. There's no school waiting for the kids and no boss waiting for the wife and me, so we can just take our time and stop and see the sights.
Plus, I just like to drive (not to mention being able to stop in the Carolinas and pick up fireworks on the way home!).
I did fly twice last year without too much hassle, but my brother and law and I were sitting in the airport and my brother in law turned to me and said, "Do you realize that just in the time it's been since we left home, we could have been all the way to Georgia by now?" And we hadn't even boarded the plane yet! By the time we boarded the plane, made the flight, got our luggage, got our rent-a-car, and got to the house, we could have driven and been almost there and saved about $500.
"Not capable"?
What I understand is that there is no real difference...except in your mind. The reasons for a search and the end result remain the same.
When the government ceases to regulate and monitor the safety of the air travel industry, I might begin to see the difference.
That's not going to happen. And I doubt very much you want it to.
"Not capable"?
What I understand is that there is no real difference...except in your mind.
Well, my mind and the Constitution.