Does it really matter if you're a Calvinist?

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I think you are majoring on the minors here. Everything I have comes from God. Our attitudes should be as Paul's, "If I'm to boast, I will boast in Christ"....regardless of what the USMC teaches you

you'd be very hard pressed to find a more conservative bunch of Christians as our US Military & as committed to God. Specifically for the USMC, excellence isnt a mere act, it is a habit. If you feel that our Military leadership program's are not reflecting God than Id advise you to write a letter to our military commanders & tell them so. Maybe make some suggestions based off of your leadership skills & knowledge. Im sure they will be grateful.

 

[The Archangel]

I think you are majoring on the minors here. Everything I have comes from God. Our attitudes should be as Paul's, "If I'm to boast, I will boast in Christ"....regardless of what the USMC teaches you

USMC? I have no idea what you mean.

But, it would seem that you are stating here that you are boasting only in the cross, and not the cross and the gifts God has given you.

And, it is not majoring in the minors to point out this apparent (but apparently now cleared-up) issue. As they say, the devil is in the details.

I'm glad to hear you are not trusting in anything in yourself.

The Archangel

 

[kyredneck]

Brother, I know your trying to be pure & that I really complement you for.....but please do not compare me to a Skandalon (Stumbling Block).

Honestly EWF, I wasn't comparing, only trying to make a point. The majority of Christianity today (it seems to me) has reduced the gospel down to a 'salvific' formula or incantation whereby the Spirit is invoked, and it's Abracadabra! Kazaam! Presto chango! Born again! and the free gift of eternal life is thereby imparted, and they've become absolutely no different than those Jews that Christ was speaking to in Jn 5:39. They believe that in the scriptures they have eternal life when it's Christ that has abolished death and has imparted life and immortality.

See my signature. Brother 'pino' has the 'formula' for the 'free gift' down to pat.

Im not into head knowledge, rather God's truth. Remember that the Brethren had to meet in order to distance themselves from past apostasy & heresy so there is reasons why The Confessions & certain doctrines exist, otherwise we would also be following false teachings.

I reiterate: "Knowing the deep wonderful truths of the scriptures is for the benefit/joy of the Saints."

Perhaps I should have said ENORMOUS BENEFIT.

...now Im no theologian nor am I even an elder or a pastor. But I know we are distinct in our theology, which has labored for years to provide Gods truth in reverence & humility....so brother, why would we not point to those things?

I don't understand your objection here. I'm all for pointing to the deep truths of the scriptures.

 

[mets65]

Do calvinists rejoice when they hear about a new christian?

 

[Skandelon]

Do calvinists rejoice when they hear about a new christian?

Yes, they do.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Do calvinists rejoice when they hear about a new christian?

no, they don't.
they are evil-minded, selfish, proud, arrogant, people who have no right to be in heaven, unlike non-Cals who are the humblest, sinner-loving, merciful, full of brotherly-love, redeemed who deserve heaven and deserve the blood of Christ.

satisfied ?

 

[Robert Snow]

Do calvinists rejoice when they hear about a new christian?

For them it would just be old news. Why rejoice, the sinner had no choice, it was all planned in advance.

Now, for the rest of us, we do rejoice!

 

[Iconoclast]

The truth matters, to say it does not matter is to remain ignorant.
Those who understand the biblical doctrine of the saving grace of God,study it,learn it, and live it.

If truth is not important.....God would have just sent us a tract...not a bible.

Some post here in ignorance as if they only read a tract....because they only repeat the same 5 or 6 verses.....and even at that, without understanding the verses they post.

God will sort out how much doctrine is enough or important and essential.

God will sort out those who obey not the truth.

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Those opposing apostolic doctrine....will perish.......not sit and debate.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, they do.

.... Then we kill them & roast them on a spit till the skin is crunchy. goes good with Gravy, mashed potatoes & corn bread. Otherwise we make these green chips called Soilet Green but I prefer the spit with veggies.

 

[Skandelon]

Now, back to your point... Are you making the fatal assumption that Calvinists do not evangelize or some other claptrap?

No, I know Calvinists evangelize. But, if you are wrong then think of how many throughout history have spent time distracted by this controversy rather than obeying the great commission? How many who misapplied Calvinism and became non-evangelistic? How many church splits and other distractions that kept the word from being spread to the lost? Again, I know this is PRESUMING that Calvinism is wrong, which is something you clearly reject. The hope is that you might consider the POSSIBILITY that you are wrong and be careful considering what is at stake.

I can think of no other reason for the dire warning AGAINST a view that God alone is the sovereign King of all kings and the One who decides our eternal destiny. Is it THAT hard to let God be God?

That is presuming that God is as Calvinism teaches, whereas my warning is presuming otherwise.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

For them it would just be old news. Why rejoice, the sinner had no choice, it was all planned in advance.

Now, for the rest of us, we do rejoice!

Now Robert, who told you that fib? I cant say lie cause it hurts too many on the other sides feelings?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Honestly EWF, I wasn't comparing, only trying to make a point. The majority of Christianity today (it seems to me) has reduced the gospel down to a 'salvific' formula or incantation whereby the Spirit is invoked, and it's Abracadabra! Kazaam! Presto chango! Born again! and the free gift of eternal life is thereby imparted, and they've become absolutely no different than those Jews that Christ was speaking to in Jn 5:39. They believe that in the scriptures they have eternal life when it's Christ that has abolished death and has imparted life and immortality.

See my signature. Brother 'pino' has the 'formula' for the 'free gift' down to pat.



I reiterate: "Knowing the deep wonderful truths of the scriptures is for the benefit/joy of the Saints."

Perhaps I should have said ENORMOUS BENEFIT.



I don't understand your objection here. I'm all for pointing to the deep truths of the scriptures.

Brother, this is why I bailed out of a Regular Baptist Church, because I know I have to study under Pastors & Elders who can & will feed me with meat & not milk, & reinforce my commitment to sound Reformed Doctrine.

 

[kyredneck]

Brother, this is why I bailed out of a Regular Baptist Church, because I know I have to study under Pastors & Elders who can & will feed me with meat & not milk, & reinforce my commitment to sound Reformed Doctrine.

Good for you Brother! When you say Regular Baptist Church I take it to mean General Baptist that hold to a general atonement.

I wonder, is a Reformed Baptist the same as a Particular Baptist (I think they are)?

 

[gb93433]

But, if you are wrong then think of how many throughout history have spent time distracted by this controversy rather than obeying the great commission?

Satan likes them. Their theology originated with Satan. Satan likes to get the Christian busy, busy, busy and not producing.

How many who misapplied Calvinism and became non-evangelistic? How many church splits and other distractions that kept the word from being spread to the lost?

2/3 to 80% of the chruches in America are pleateaued or dying.

I am currently pastoring a church that has doubled in the last four months that was shackled by some troublemakers. When I came, I started teaching them how to make disciples by doing personal discipleship.Every man I currently meet with meets with at least one other man.

Personal discipleship quickly silences the bulldogs who think they know what reaches people but are not personally reaching anyone. The bulldogs are surrounded by those who are reaching people. At this point there are those who are asking about removing the troublemakers in leadership who are not reaching anyone. The proof of leadership is in reaching people and leading them.

 

[glfredrick]

For them it would just be old news. Why rejoice, the sinner had no choice, it was all planned in advance.

Now, for the rest of us, we do rejoice!

Really... REALLLY... :BangHead::BangHead::BangHead:

Do you side with the enemy of God THAT MUCH? :tear:

I'm fairly well established here on the board as a Calvinist (Infralapsarian for the record) and I know that I not only rejoice, but I've been known to break down and weep when a lost sinner comes to Christ!

I LIVE to see lost persons come to salvation in Christ! That is my mission, my goal, my ministry, and I devote my spiritual gifts to accomplishing that mission to the glory and for the worship of our Father in heaven and the Worthy Lamb who was slain and rose again to life!

 

[Skandelon]

Robert, as a former Calvinist, I will give support to glf and the other Calvinists. They are just as happy when someone is saved as we are. I went on many mission trips, and witnessed to many people as a Calvinist and the delight is no less when you see someone give their lives to follow Christ. I think that may be a common misperception of Calvinists.

 

[webdog]

For them it would just be old news. Why rejoice, the sinner had no choice, it was all planned in advance.

Now, for the rest of us, we do rejoice!

Robert, why would you say this? Regardless of the mechanics leading to salvation, they are our brothers and knowing they share the same Spirit within, of course they rejoice!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Good for you Brother! When you say Regular Baptist Church I take it to mean General Baptist that hold to a general atonement.

I wonder, is a Reformed Baptist the same as a Particular Baptist (I think they are)?

Yes particular is another name.

 

[mets65]

Robert, as a former Calvinist, I will give support to glf and the other Calvinists. They are just as happy when someone is saved as we are. I went on many mission trips, and witnessed to many people as a Calvinist and the delight is no less when you see someone give their lives to follow Christ. I think that may be a common misperception of Calvinists.

I feel like maybe they look down on new christians because they aren't spirtually mature. I know of course they rejoice.

 

[Skandelon]

Or is it that you believe as Skandelon that correct head knowledge is what determines whether one will burn in hell for all eternity or not?

Excuse me? I never said this nor do I believe it. I'd appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. Thank you.