A Question Calvinists must Answer

[Skandelon]

Might I suggest that most here on this board are apt to disavow your stated reasons for asking questions like you do because of this "a priori" issue:

www.critiquingcalvinism.blogspot.com

First, have you visited the site and seen how respectful and Christlike I am in my treatment of Calvinists?

Second, many here have blogs or sites and refer people to them to get further clarification of what they believe.

Third, what does my recording of my beliefs on a blog have to do with my motive on this "debate board?"

Fourth, what stated reason are you talking about exactly?

Fifth, there is no fifth point, I just know Calvinists like all five points so I thought I would add this.

 

[Robert Snow]

Perhaps Wesley's incorrect interpretation of the Gospel...

Looks to me like God decreed that you would get it wrong! :tongue3:

 

[Skandelon]

As far as I can see, after reading dozens upon dozens of your posts is that you only ask with ulterior motive in mind -- not a desire to actually get to any truth in the matter.

As if everyone else who posts here is innocently seeking answers from the more intelligent reformed believers??? Come on brother. Just a little bit of a double standard there, don't you think? Could you be treating me this way just because I can't be responded to by your pat answers and that you don't know how to answer my arguments?

And I'm really not trying to attack you --

Oh, no, why would I take your continual avoidance of the topic in order to question me personally an attack???

you are "free" to believe whatever you like

Am I? This is the only thing you have said that is remotely close to addressing the OP. Are we really free to be Calvinistic or not? Has God done all that is needed for me to accept the truth of Calvinism, or has he withheld something from me that He granted to you? Or are we really free to do otherwise?

but you ask PRIMARILY for the sake of an argument... :thumbs:

Pardon the rudeness, but, "Duh." It is a 'baptist debate board.' Debate topics typically start with questions and propositions and suppositions to be discussed. What is your beef? What is wrong with debating and making soteriological arguments on a theology debate board? Is anyone here under the impression that I'm not wanting to engage you and other Calvinist in a discussion about soteriology and our points of disagreement? Aren't many people here day after day for that same reason? Why you call me out in particular is quite revealing. Thank you. I consider it a compliment.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

First, have you visited the site and seen how respectful and Christlike I am in my treatment of Calvinists?

Second, many here have blogs or sites and refer people to them to get further clarification of what they believe.

Third, what does my recording of my beliefs on a blog have to do with my motive on this "debate board?"

Fourth, what stated reason are you talking about exactly?

Fifth, there is no fifth point, I just know Calvinists like all five points so I thought I would add this.

And what should you do if it causes a brother to stumble?

 

[Skandelon]

And what should you do if it causes a brother to stumble?

When we get to heaven I'll bring the mill stone and you bring the rope and by then we will know which one of us is going in.

Oh wait, if I'm wrong the same number of people will be in heaven regardless of my errors, for all the elect will be saved regardless....On the other hand, if you are wrong, you will be the one causing men to stumble because in my belief you actually have the ability to do just that. Doesn't seem like a very fair bet for you to take, but I'll take it if you're still game?

 

[Rippon]

The gospel has nothing to do with John Calvin or any other man. You will never get saved by the gospel of Calvin. All the ism's in the world are not THE gospel.

After all the time you have spent on the BB and you rehearse that nonsense. Shame on you.

Quoting a part of my post numbered 51:"You had said since Calvinists don't believe that Christ died for all people and that the gospel says He died for all,then the two are differert gospels. And of course,you know that Calvinists believe as they do about the extent of the atonement because of the witness of the Word of God."

In Galatians 1:8,9 there are some serious words and a curse for those who preach a gospel other than the true one. In 2 Cor.11:4 it gives a similar message about the dangeres of a different gospel.

So, let me warn you and anyone else to gliby (or not so glibly) say that Calvinists preach or teach a different gospel -- you are treading on dangerous ground.

 

[saturneptune]

After all the time you have spent on the BB and you rehearse that nonsense. Shame on you.

Quoting a part of my post numbered 51:"You had said since Calvinists don't believe that Christ died for all people and that the gospel says He died for all,then the two are differert gospels. And of course,you know that Calvinists believe as they do about the extent of the atonement because of the witness of the Word of God."

In Galatians 1:8,9 there are some serious words and a curse for those who preach a gospel other than the true one. In 2 Cor.11:4 it gives a similart message about the dangeres of a different gospel.

So, let me warn you and anyone else to gliby (or not so glibly) say that Calvinists preach or teach a different gospel -- you are treading on dangerous ground.

Why don't you leave her alone? You have no idea what you are talking about. She did not say or imply Calvinists taught a different Gospel. Half the time you misquote and get people mixed up. Isn't it about time for your Michael Servetus fan club meeting?

 

[Rippon]

Why don't you leave her alone? You have no idea what you are talking about.

LOL! The man who can't tell a PM from a post!

She did not say or imply Calvinists taught a different Gospel.

She came right out and said Calvinists (a term you loathe) teach a different gospel. She said that the gospel says Christ died for all men. Calvinism teaches He died for some men. Two different gospels.

So, that proves you are lost in confusion.

Half the time you misquote and get people mixed up.

Somehow you are confusing yourself with me! How can you come to that conclusion?!

Isn't it about time for your Michael Servetus fan club meeting?

Your immaturity is showing once again SN.

 

[Amy.G]

Here is the context of Rippon's accusations.

Jaurthur said:
"IT IS...the gospel" (referring to Calvinism)



In another quote Jarthur said:

Originally Posted by Jarthur001
web..you and others hate when the gospel is said to be Calvinism.
Gospel is a word that tells of salvation. Calvinism is another word used by some to tell of salvation.

The gospel is based on the Bible
Calvinism is based on the Bible.

I understand that some disagree with that last statement. They see the Bible verses saying other things. But no one in their right mind would say that Calvinist do not go to Scripture to prove their faith. We post verses...just as no Calvinist do. Both sides disagree....but both use Scripture.

Do you disagree?

Then I posted:

The Gospel says that Christ died for all men.
Calvinism says that Christ died for some men.

Two different gospels.

My point was that IF you want to claim Calvinism is THE gospel, then you have 2 different gospels.


It took me a long time to find this conversation and I cannot believe Rippon would devote so much time to making a fellow believer look bad. :tonofbricks:

 

[Rippon]

My point was that IF you want to claim Calvinism is THE gospel, then you have 2 different gospels.

No, you reduced Calvinism down to a different gospel because we don't believe that Christ died for all people --but non-Cals do.

Now because we believe,on biblical grounds, that He died for the elect alone -- are you willing to say that we preach/teach a different gospel? Yes,or no?

 

[Amy.G]

No, you reduced Calvinism down to a different gospel because we don't believe that Christ died for all people --but non-Cals do.

Now because we believe,on biblical grounds, that He died for the elect alone -- are you willing to say that we preach/teach a different gospel? Yes,or no?

I have explained myself to you. I am not questioning anyone's salvation. You need to leave it alone.

 

[saturneptune]

She came right out and said Calvinists (a term you loathe) teach a different gospel. She said that the gospel says Christ died for all men. Calvinism teaches He died for some men. Two different gospels.

Calvinists do not preach a different Gospel, and do not believe she said that. The point is you seemed more interested in justifying Calvin's beliefs and actions than you do seeking the truth of Scripture

 

[Rippon]

Calvinists do not preach a different Gospel, and do not believe she said that.

Man,if you will just take the time to read. Look at her post numbered 89.

The point is you seemed more interested in justifying Calvin's beliefs and actions than you do seeking the truth of Scripture

I will continue to believe and post what I believe the Scriptures teach.

And I will continue to correct your infantile rants seeking to denigrate Calvin with no basis in truth. And for you to continue on your course is a sign that you have heart trouble.

You say disgusting and false things about him (as well as me). Facts are obstacles to your agenda.

 

[quantumfaith]

I have explained myself to you. I am not questioning anyone's salvation. You need to leave it alone.

Amy,

I would suggest you just ignore him. The main thing he gets his knickers in a knot about is Mr. Calvin or anything which does not agree with his theology.

 

[Rippon]

I have explained myself to you. I am not questioning anyone's salvation.

I would appreciate an answer to the question I asked you in post #90.

Those preaching and teaching a different gospel are not regenerate. Since Calvinists,according to you, preach/teach a different gospel --then they must not be saved. It's perfectly logical.

Do you still insist that we preach/teach a different gospel which falls under the curse of Galatians 1:8,9 or not?

If you admit that that we do not believe a different gospel --I will drop the subject with you.

 

[saturneptune]

Man,if you will just take the time to read. Look at her post numbered 89.



I will continue to believe and post what I believe the Scriptures teach.

And I will continue to correct your infantile rants seeking to denigrate Calvin with no basis in truth. And for you to continue on your course is a sign that you have heart trouble.

You say disgusting and false things about him (as well as me). Facts are obstacles to your agenda.

My heart trouble is none of your business, and has no relation to this discussion. The fact is you degrade any poster, including Amy. The only thing disqusting is your lack of human decency.

 

[Rippon]

My heart trouble is none of your business, and has no relation to this discussion.

"Heart trouble" is not pretaining only to the physical realm.

The fact is you degrade any poster, including Amy.

"Degrade",have you taken a close look at the contents of your posts? Anyone will get a bird's eye view of degradation following your posts. I have not said anything remotely degrading to Amy. Whereas you have aimed your squirtgun on a number on the BB on a regular basis.

 

[saturneptune]

"Heart trouble" is not pretaining only to the physical realm.



"Degrade",have you taken a close look at the contents of your posts? Anyone will get a bird's eye view of degradation following your posts. I have not said anything remotely degrading to Amy. Whereas you have aimed your squirtgun on a number on the BB on a regular basis.

In that frame of thought, my heart is fine, but actually, that is none of your business either. If you do not like my posts, then go elsewhere.

 

[Rippon]

If you do not like my posts, then go elsewhere.

Who,in their right mind wants to witness your ceaseless denigrations? But the trouble is you pop up even on threads that I have started and proceed to muddy-up the carpets. Choose a non-Christian site to air your anger issues.

 

[saturneptune]

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