So Where Do those Who hold To Arminianism Receive Their Assurance From?

[glfredrick]

If I had to pick one theology that represented my views, the Free Grace position (I know, redundant ) would come closest soteriologically speaking. Their eschatology is science fiction, though (the millennial exclusion garbage of Charles Stanley)

Are you not quite fond of guilt by association? Why does that not work when applied in your own direction?

 

[Alive in Christ]

So Where Do those Who hold To Arminianism Receive Their Assurance From?

Easy.

The rock solid, unchanging, unalterable, promise from the Creator of heaven and earth, that because my faith has been placed in Gods provision of salvation, through faith in Jesus Christs ability to keep me...I WILL BE SAVED.

 

[webdog]

I thought you might like Charles Stanley since he too doesn't believe we have an Old Sin Nature.

Why considering the fact I have maintained man has one?

 

[webdog]

Are you not quite fond of guilt by association? Why does that not work when applied in your own direction?

Not sure what you are talking about considering soteriology and eschatology are not the same thing.

 

[Tom Butler]

If only we could make something fit DawG....

Tell you what. You work on it on your end and I'll work on it from my end. Maybe what we come up with we can make some money by selling the rights.

Ooooommmmmmm. Nothing yet.

 

[Tom Butler]

how bout "Divine Sovereignty" theology for Calvinists & Human Capability ...was going to say Human Dependency but Capability is a positive word...... "Human Capability" theology for Arms & No-Cals so everyones ego is stroked, right. You can even shorten it to DS & HC! :wavey:

Well, it has to definitely be something short and snappy. That's why I'm leaning toward DoG, and StephanM wants to come up with something for DawG. You're welcome to join our project.

 

[webdog]

How about Kimbleism considering you are "non-arm" (Kimble saw the one arm man kill his wife in the Fugitive

or...

Prostheticism?

 

[convicted1]

You must not have received the memo...it is now called "no name" or "nameless" theology :laugh:

I have a name from my "theology": Arm 'N Hammer!!!


If you don't agree with me, you get the Arm N' Hammer to the head!! :laugh:

 

[convicted1]

I got the memo and threw it into the trash.

I will take credit for giving it the name non-Cal. Before I used it on the Baptist Board, I don't remember ever seeing the description before.

I do remember just about every non-Cal Baptist bristled when labeled Arminian; I came to the conclusion that they had a point.

I'm also thinking of dumping the term Calvinist, or Reformed, for myself. I'm coming around to liking DoG (Doctrines of Grace). More specifically, I like TomDoG. But let's don't go too far by calling me Tom the DoG. Somebody would be tempted to call me Tom the Dirty DoG.

Okay, how 'bout "Howard the Duck"??? LOL J/K Brother Tom!!

 

[convicted1]

IF one holds to that model of applied grace/salvation...

WHERE would they get the full assurance of their salvation as being eternal with/from the Lord?

Here is where I get my assurance from:

Psa. 40:1 I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.

2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.


Matt. 7: 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not:for it was founded upon a rock.

Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

I am founded on THE ROCK; and can not be shaken off of it!!! Praise His sweet name!!

i am I AM's!!

Willis

 

[revmwc]

Why considering the fact I have maintained man has one?

Sorry I thought you had said we didn't my apologies.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How about Kimbleism considering you are "non-arm" (Kimble saw the one arm man kill his wife in the Fugitive

or...

Prostheticism?

Now there you go....thats thinking outside the box LOL

But truly No Arm should = Stump so Stump (ism) or Stumpy (ism)......now thats hilarious!

 

[revmwc]

Why label anyone anything, if we are believers in Christ we are Christians.
The Doctrinal view we have is a secondary issue. Isn't it better to ask it those who don't hold to the Doctrine of Calvin and those who don't hold to the Doctrine of Arminious are Christians saved by Grace just like those who hold to those Doctrines.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why label anyone anything, if we are believers in Christ we are Christians.
The Doctrinal view we have is a secondary issue. Isn't it better to ask it those who don't hold to the Doctrine of Calvin and those who don't hold to the Doctrine of Arminious are Christians saved by Grace just like those who hold to those Doctrines.

Dont be a kill joy. I still like Stumpyism!:laugh:

 

[revmwc]

Dont be a kill joy. I still like Stumpyism!:laugh:

Not trying to be a killjoy I enjoy debating I just don't like labeling.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Not trying to be a killjoy I enjoy debating I just don't like labeling.

OK whats Calvinist, Whats Arminian, Whats Papist......come on, I was joking.

 

[revmwc]

OK whats Calvinist, Whats Arminian, Whats Papist......come on, I was joking.

See those make most people bristle and ready to argue. Those who hold to Calvin's teaching, those who hold to Aminius teaching and there are others who hold to other views of teaching. Then we can debate without someone getting bristled. I kinda like seeing them bristle up and squirm but that really isn't how our Lord would want us to discuss scripture, He wants us to find common ground in Christ and then tell our views and seek the Divine Guidence of the Holy Spirit in our interpretation.
I worked with a fellow one time who was into the Way International movement ever heard of them? He felt he could convert me to their doctrinal view but in the end he had to admit we would agree to disagree. When we go into discussion really seeking the Lords Guidence with an open mind and not be a Nicodemus we can get things accomplished it took a while for Nicodemus to get it but he did finally get it.

 

[JesusFan]

See those make most people bristle and ready to argue. Those who hold to Calvin's teaching, those who hold to Aminius teaching and there are others who hold to other views of teaching. Then we can debate without someone getting bristled. I kinda like seeing them bristle up and squirm but that really isn't how our Lord would want us to discuss scripture, He wants us to find common ground in Christ and then tell our views and seek the Divine Guidence of the Holy Spirit in our interpretation.
I worked with a fellow one time who was into the Way International movement ever heard of them? He felt he could convert me to their doctrinal view but in the end he had to admit we would agree to disagree. When we go into discussion really seeking the Lords Guidence with an open mind and not be a Nicodemus we can get things accomplished it took a while for Nicodemus to get it but he did finally get it.

Agree with your premise, but would be hard to get a "common ground" with the Way, as they are a big time Cult....

 

[revmwc]

Agree with your premise, but would be hard to get a "common ground" with the way, as they are a big time Cult....

Oh I know, the Way was big time and we really had trouble finding anything in common but my point was as you say to find that common ground and we can here.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Oh I know, the Way was big time and we really had trouble finding anything in common but my point was as you say to find that common ground and we can here.

I suggest that your going to find too many callose people on here to find much common ground unless your theology is the same. Since Ive found mine late in life Im far more grounded & relaxed with it & others beliefs as well.