In another thread the words fart, butt, etc. were labeled as being slang. One even went so far as to say that these are not pure words. Here's my question. Who determined that these words are considered to be trash talk and are not "pure"? What makes them wrong to use as opposed to other words? I remember when the word "da*m" got me sent to the principals office in the fourth grade. God forbid that I said such a horrid word. Mind you, I don't use the words "fart", "butt", "da*m",... anymore not because I necessarily think that they are wrong but because I can't without offending the sensibilities of some "higher minded" church members.
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It's largely cultural.
I still remember being in high school and getting detention for using a word that people use every day and had no profane or vulgar implications in the context I used it and yet, then I would sit in English class and read books that used language that would make a sailor blush.
freeatlast
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In all the wording that can be used in place of those words are you suggesting that the Spirit of God would lead you to use those words.
I don't think this has anything to do with the Holy Spirit. I think it has to do with culture. Now, I'm not going to use certain words because they are offensive to others and don't won't to offend them. Now, back to the subject. Who determined what words were bad and which words are not?
I used to pronounce the word siren as "sireen". I am from the South and many Southerners pronounce it that way. But, when I was in seminary a friend from Michigan almost laughed herself out of the car when I warned her that I heard a "sireen" behind us. She told me that only hicks called it a "sireen." She judged me as being hickish because of my pronunciation. I would suggest that many of the words that are considered offensive were at one time simply words used by a lower class of people and because the upper class didn't want to sound like the lower class they deemed certain words to be inappropriate even though they used other words to describe the same things or to make the same exclamations.
I used to pronounce the word siren as "sireen". I am from the South and many Southerners pronounce it that way. But, when I was in seminary a friend from Michigan almost laughed herself out of the car when I warned her that I heard a "sireen" behind us. She told me that only hicks called it a "sireen." She judged me as being hickish because of my pronunciation. I would suggest that many of the words that are considered offensive were at one time simply words used by a lower class of people and because the upper class didn't want to sound like the lower class they deemed certain words to be inappropriate even though they used other words to describe the same things or to make the same exclamations.
freeatlast
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That is to bad as for the Christian everything is to be about the leading of the Holy Spirit done for Christ. It sounds to me that you are trying to justify yor sin.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
You have yet to answer the question, but certainly are quick, which is typical, to cast judgment. I would suggest that you get the self righteous beam out of your own eye before you start trying to remove the speck from mine.
So, you are suggesting that the Holy Spirit has personally given you a vocabulary of appropriate words and inappropriate words?
So, you are suggesting that the Holy Spirit has personally given you a vocabulary of appropriate words and inappropriate words?
freeatlast
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I am not aware of what question you are referring to, but to this question the answer is yes there is nothing I say that the Spirit does not deal with me as being ok or wrong in regards to honoring the Lord including every word I speak and a Christian should know that. While I may not always listen and then get correction from Him I make sure I do not seek to justify the sin as you are doing. So again you are trying to justify your sin as well as get others to sanctify your attempt.
The Spirit of God never leads you to speak as you are suggesting. That is all you speaking and it is not for the Lord.
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
A potty mouth is not of the Lord, for the Lord or justifiable before the Lord.
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menageriekeeper
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LOL, FaL. Let's get down to the nitty gritty. Who decides what is "potty mounth" and what isn't in YOUR life?
For me it was parents and peers (and I had a POTTY mouth as a youngster). Why? because no one would tell me why these words were considered so shocking. That means it had less to do with obeying the Holy Spirit and more to do with obeying the traditions of man, some of which come from class seperation issues as Sag has suggested. Coarse language=coarse person with all that comes with the idea of being "trashy".
In the same manner a woman who was divorced was a sl*t. It didn't matter WHY the poor woman was divorced. It didn't matter that her husband was a sorry, low down cheater. SHE was a sl*t and in the hypocrisy that was in the churches(and in mainstream culture of the time) I attended at that time, nothing whatsoever was said about HIM!
So who decides for you?
For me it was parents and peers (and I had a POTTY mouth as a youngster). Why? because no one would tell me why these words were considered so shocking. That means it had less to do with obeying the Holy Spirit and more to do with obeying the traditions of man, some of which come from class seperation issues as Sag has suggested. Coarse language=coarse person with all that comes with the idea of being "trashy".
In the same manner a woman who was divorced was a sl*t. It didn't matter WHY the poor woman was divorced. It didn't matter that her husband was a sorry, low down cheater. SHE was a sl*t and in the hypocrisy that was in the churches(and in mainstream culture of the time) I attended at that time, nothing whatsoever was said about HIM!
So who decides for you?
freeatlast
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Thank you for the question. At salvation the Spirit of God comes to dwell in the person. At that time He leads in all things. He deals with everything we do. He never leads us into areas that dishonor the Lord. His speech is our speech for all who love the Lord. When you have the Spirit He will tell you if your speech honors the Lord or not. The person has to decide to obey. You will not have to rely on men if you are being lead of the Spirit as the Spirit does not lead His children in being potty mouths.
menageriekeeper
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Mmm, and is a country hick that's heard the gospel and believes, yet is uneducated in the norms of society any less obedient to the Holy Spirit because he is unaware that certain words are frowned on in society? (happens a lot in my part of the world)
The Holy Spirit doesn't wave a majick wand over us which automatically cleans up our language. We are taught by parents and society which words are acceptable and which aren't. The scriptures say only to not take the name of the Lord in vain and to control the tongue (which implies much more than simple word usage).
Improper words are chosen by society.
The Holy Spirit doesn't wave a majick wand over us which automatically cleans up our language. We are taught by parents and society which words are acceptable and which aren't. The scriptures say only to not take the name of the Lord in vain and to control the tongue (which implies much more than simple word usage).
Improper words are chosen by society.
A sensible post. I believe there is Man culture, and there is Woman culture.
What are Pure words in refined culture? That which is acceptable to Woman culture. It has been refined to their way of thinking. In other words, I woman can show you the way to depart from uncultured ignorance to a better way of thinking.
What are Pure words in culture unrefined? That which is Pure, or not deluded, but as with all words, open to revision. This is man culture, which woman will want to change to her way of thinking.
The Bile shows man to be correct in his thinking, but open to accepting the thinking of woman to keep peace (at least most of the time when in her presence). This will make her happy (most of the time).
Why do you find a word/s that defines a truth sin? How do you know sin when you see it, or hear it?
freeatlast
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Yes improper words are chosen by the lost world and they are evident. However when we get saved the Spirit points out to us not to any longer be like the world by using them. That is the difference between the lost and the saved. One does there thing and seeks to justify it the other does the Lord's thing and seeks not to justify it. So potty mounth's are of the flesh and those who are of Christ do not follow that line of talk.
menageriekeeper
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Oh, so you mean that the ones who use slang aren't as holy as those who don't?
freeatlast
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As you study and seek to grow close to the Lord you desire to speak in a manner that glorifies Him.
Always good to see a beloved tomboy in our midst.
I find many words offensive; "fart" and "butt" are not among them. I used to consider "piss" to be offensive until I found it several times in the Old Testament. The MOST offensive to me are the "f" word and God and Jesus Christ being used in a derogatory manner. I also find the SOB phrase very offensive, and it's used excessively on TV. They are also using God and Jesus Christ on TV more and more, and the "f" word is now being used on TV. Because of that, I am getting more and more dissatisfied with TV.
3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
These areas are addressed here,and in Proverbs......
8But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison
9Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace