Sheep?

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Matthew 9:
The Workers Are Few
35 Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness. 36 When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. 37 Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. 38 Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.”

He didn’t say they were goats without a herder, even though when they start hearing about eating His flesh and drinking His blood they would walk away from Him. It is true following a crowd does not mean that you are drawn by the Father.


We all know only His sheep will believe. That only the one’s the Father gives will come to him. We know hat there are those ever hearing, but never perceiving. That before the cross everything most be fulfilled, to show Jesus is who He said He His. That Jesus had to die to pay the price of the sins of the world. That everything had to go the way the Father planned.

To come to this point

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

How did this verses change anything if anything?

 

[Iconoclast]

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

How did this verses change anything if anything?

early on Jesus went to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

After he is lifted up[cross] the gospel goes worldwide, to all men...not Israel only.....

The elect sheep are all over the world, Israel except for the remnant, rejected Him.Here is one illustration of this;

Matthew 22
1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[Van]

Reply to Psalms 109:31

Matthew 9:
The Workers Are Few
35 Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness. 36 When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. 37 Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. 38 Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.”

He didn’t say they were goats without a herder, even though when they start hearing about eating His flesh and drinking His blood they would walk away from Him.

We all know only His sheep will believe. That only the one’s the Father gives will come to him. We know hat there are those ever hearing, but never perceiving. That before the cross everything most be fulfilled, to show Jesus is who He said He His. That Jesus had to die to pay the price of the sins of the world. That everything had to go the way the Father planned.

To come to this point

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

How did this verses change anything if anything?

Hi, your post contains some statements I disagree with. Lets discuss them:

It is true following a crowd does not mean that you are drawn by the Father.

This is true, you could only be interested in finding out what had drawn the crowd. But many, probably most in the crowd had been drawn by the Father, the people were responding to the lovingkindness God had shown toward mankind. It is true following a crowd does not mean that you are drawn by the Father. Notice they glorified God because God had healed, verses 6-8.

We all know only His sheep will believe.

I would put it we know that only those who believe become His sheep. So from among "the sheep" of Matthew 9:36, some sheep are drawn by the Father's lovingkindness.

That only the one’s the Father gives will come to him.

This is a common misunderstand of John 6:37. This equates being drawn by the Father to being given by the Father. What John 6:37 actually says is all those given shall come to Me, and the word translated "come" carries with it the idea of arriving. So to paraphrase, all those given to Me arrive in Me. Thus the giving is when God puts individuals spiritually in Christ, not when individuals are drawn through the gospel.

John 12:32 pretty much speaks for itself, all those who understand Christ died for them on the cross will be drawn to Christ by His lovingkindness, but being drawn by the gospel, and fully trusting in Christ along, are two different things. See Matthew 13 for one soil who was not drawn, and three soils who were.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. This simply says, in my opinion, that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me.

 

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Scripture

I am really looking forward to answer to this, has things changed after Jesus is lifted up or does everything remain the same?

Is it so hard to see the scriptures the way they are and the way it has or not impacted the way things are now?

Did not Jesus bring a new covenant or is the same as it was before the cross and Christ lifted up?

 

[Van]

Before Christ died on the cross, everyone was under the Old Covenant system, but after Christ died, everyone is under the New Covenant System. In a sense, everyone, saint and sinner alike, was "bought" and "sanctified" when the "bondage" of the Old Covenant system was ended and everyone was put under, i.e set apart from the Old Covenant, under the New Covenant.

John 12:32 pretty much speaks for itself, all those who understand Christ died for them on the cross will be drawn to Christ by His lovingkindness, but being drawn by the gospel, and fully trusting in Christ along, are two different things. See Matthew 13 for one soil who was not drawn, and three soils who were.

"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." This simply says, in my opinion, that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me, because the New Covenant is in His Blood.

 

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Believe

Exodus 19:
5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”


Deuteronomy 7::
6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.


Zephaniah 3:12
But I will leave within you the meek and humble. The remnant of Israel will trust in the name of the LORD.

John 1:11
He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.


Matthew 10:33
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

Ephesians 1:13
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

 

[Van]

According to Galatians 3, "all Israel" is made up of OT saints who obtained approval through faith, and NT saints whose faith God credited as righteousness.

 

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Van

Hi van actually the key verse to 6:37

John 6:
45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

John 12:
49For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

John 14:24
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

John 6:
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

The Last scripture you gave is a good one

Jesus been given all authority in heaven and Earth when Christ is lifted up and how has that effected this?

John 6:44
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

When we keep these in mind.

John 14:
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”



1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[Psalm 8:6] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

 

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Quote:

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

How did this verses change anything if anything?

early on Jesus went to the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Quote:

5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

After he is lifted up[cross] the gospel goes worldwide, to all men...not Israel only.....

The elect sheep are all over the world, Israel except for the remnant, rejected Him.Here is one illustration of this;
Quote:

Matthew 22
1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14For many are called, but few are chosen

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Thank you, I enjoyed that

 

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According to Galatians 3, "all Israel" is made up of OT saints who obtained approval through faith, and NT saints whose faith God credited as righteousness.

Exodus 12:48
“A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the LORD’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it.

Romans 2:28
A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Has not God always provided a way for non-Jew (non-elect) to enter into the covenant?

Hebrews 11:
39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

 

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Isaiah 53:6

Isaiah 53:6
We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.