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is it A MUST That Your pastor/Church Teach/Preach Calvinism?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, May 2, 2011.

  1. JesusFan

    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    DO agree with what Spurgeon said in this quote, its just the idea is that it is the GOSPEL that is inspired/revealed from God, NOT any particular understanding of it...

    calvinism to my mind has a better understanding of it than the Arm view point, BUT neither view is the "Gospel" Apostles could write inspired views on what Gospel is, John Calvin/Luthor/Augustine etc place your favorite Chrsitian theologian here could not...
    Paul/John Peter Inspired, other, smart and learned as they were, were not!
     
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    God inspired the bible to be understood and calvinism is the only correct understanding of it.
     
  3. JesusFan

    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    Would tend to see it as being a "better/more correct" way to understanding it, NOT though only way to...

    By the way, are you a poster on the Puritan Boards?
     
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    I don't know how it was during the time of Spurgeon. I am not a historian. I do know there was time that if you did not believe what the church believed at the time. You would be exiled, murdered. If it was that way during that time. Spurgeon did the best he could to spread the Gospel of Jesus that many did come and God used him well.
     
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    Yes I am a poster on the Puritan Board.
     
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    Freedom in Christ

    1 Corinthians 9:
    Paul’s Use of His Freedom
    19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
     
  7. Allan

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    While I greatly admire Spurgeon, he was also greatly wrong on some issues and this is one. That does make make him any less a great man of God, just as he praises Wesley as being equally qualified as Whitefield for apostleship if it was something for today. That comes from the same sermon as noted here:
    This is not a trait found in many today.

    I also agree with Spurgeon here as was stated in a post earlier:
    What is most interesting about Spurgeon when being spoken of by Calvinists, is that in one breathe they will claim him to be one of the greatest preachers.. and then when people show them many of his sermons and views that go against some of their views, written by Spurgeon, they suddenly change their tone and for that discussion he falls from being a prince of Preachers to being a good preacher with some things they don't agree with.

    Ie.. like the sermon piece just above this. It is speaking of the scripture that states.
     
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    Allan I got the signature from a Post from Jerome. There is more to it than that, it is all i could put there. It is important to see that side of Spurgeon when he has said Calvinism is the Gospel
     
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    I for one don't view him as the prince of preachers....I perhaps would give that distinction to George Whitefield or perhaps he was more specifically the greatest evangelist of all time....depends who you speak to. Luke has much affection for Jonathon Edwards. Again, depends who you speak to.
     
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    Yes, of course. Calvinism is the Gospel. Anything else is not.
     
  11. JesusFan

    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    Thought Jesus birth, life. death. resurrection is the Gospel, with His Apostles inspired by God to rightly interprete it for us...

    Apostles were inspired, Calvin and calvinism, as well as Arminus and arminian were NOT....
     
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    I would bet you dont take the abuse on Puritan that you do on here.....BTW, how is the Colonel? Give him a Semper Fi for me. He didnt take any Helicopter missions lately, did he? LOL!
     
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    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I do 'visit" that board a lot, applied to become a member, was not "reformed" enough though...

    From what I have seen there..
    That board is MUCH tougher to those who are not KJV people, or dispy/non cal or believe in gifts!
     
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    Osage Blusteme...

    You claimed...

    Jehovahs Wittnesses....

    Catholics...

    Mormonism......

    The truth is that it is through the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit that truth is found.

    And the unfortunate thing is that every last one of is flawed to some degree in our hearing, because of our indwelling sin. "Perfection" alludes us...until our homecoming. We are all a "work in progress"

    Any and all claims of "perfect teaching" coming from any man, or organisation, is a serious error.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:
     
  16. Osage Bluestem

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    It is my conviction that a christian is either a calvinist or he is wrong.
     
  17. Alive in Christ

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    Hey!

    Another "round of applause" from quantumfaith! :thumbs:

    I always feel honored when I get one of those! :D
     
  18. JesusFan

    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    is he still a Christian?

    just saying, that you can go find any doctrine and make it test for orthodoxy...

    IF one is KJVO...
    If one says Gifts did/did not cease
    If one is pre/post/amil
    If one is dispy/convenant
    And so on!
     
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    I'll take solid exegesis covered in proper hermeneutics rather than the man who thinks the Holy Spirit is teaching him. :type:
     
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    Which is why only Calvinism is correct. It is the very definition of solid exegesis wroght from proper hermeneutics.
     
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