is it A MUST That Your pastor/Church Teach/Preach Calvinism?

[JesusFan]

So you gentlemen are squarely against the greatest baptist pastor who ever lived. C.H. Spurgeon. That's a losing position as God greatly blessed his ministry by leading many souls to Christ and is still doing so today.

Calvinism is the Gospel!

"I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus. Such a gospel I abhor." -- C.H. Spurgeon

DO agree with what Spurgeon said in this quote, its just the idea is that it is the GOSPEL that is inspired/revealed from God, NOT any particular understanding of it...

calvinism to my mind has a better understanding of it than the Arm view point, BUT neither view is the "Gospel" Apostles could write inspired views on what Gospel is, John Calvin/Luthor/Augustine etc place your favorite Chrsitian theologian here could not...
Paul/John Peter Inspired, other, smart and learned as they were, were not!

 

[Osage Bluestem]

DO agree with what Spurgeon said in this quote, its just the idea is that it is the GOSPEL that is inspired/revealed from God, NOT any particular understanding of it...

calvinism to my mind has a better understanding of it than the Arm view point, BUT neither view is the "Gospel" Apostles could write inspired views on what Gospel is, John Calvin/Luthor/Augustine etc place your favorite Chrsitian theologian here could not...
Paul/John Peter Inspired, other, smart and learned as they were, were not!

God inspired the bible to be understood and calvinism is the only correct understanding of it.

 

[JesusFan]

God inspired the bible to be understood and calvinism is the only correct understanding of it.

Would tend to see it as being a "better/more correct" way to understanding it, NOT though only way to...

By the way, are you a poster on the Puritan Boards?

 

[psalms109:31]

Church

I don't know how it was during the time of Spurgeon. I am not a historian. I do know there was time that if you did not believe what the church believed at the time. You would be exiled, murdered. If it was that way during that time. Spurgeon did the best he could to spread the Gospel of Jesus that many did come and God used him well.

 

[Osage Bluestem]

By the way, are you a poster on the Puritan Boards?

Yes I am a poster on the Puritan Board.

 

[psalms109:31]

Freedom in Christ

1 Corinthians 9:
Paul’s Use of His Freedom
19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

 

[Allan]

So you gentlemen are squarely against the greatest baptist pastor who ever lived. C.H. Spurgeon. That's a losing position as God greatly blessed his ministry by leading many souls to Christ and is still doing so today.

Calvinism is the Gospel!

"I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus. Such a gospel I abhor." -- C.H. Spurgeon

While I greatly admire Spurgeon, he was also greatly wrong on some issues and this is one. That does make make him any less a great man of God, just as he praises Wesley as being equally qualified as Whitefield for apostleship if it was something for today. That comes from the same sermon as noted here:

...Most atrocious things have been spoken about the character and spiritual condition of John Wesley, the modern prince of Arminians. I can only say concerning him that, while I detest many of the doctrines which he preached, yet for the man himself I have a reverence second to no Wesleyan; and if there were wanted two apostles to be added to the number of the twelve, I do not believe that there could be found two men more fit to be so added than George Whitefield and John Wesley. The character of John Wesley stands beyond all imputation for self-sacrifice, zeal, holiness, and communion with God; he lived far above the ordinary level of common Christians, and was one “of whom the world was not worthy.

This is not a trait found in many today.

I also agree with Spurgeon here as was stated in a post earlier:

"My love of consistency with my own doctrinal views is not great enough to allow me knowingly to alter a single text of Scripture. I have great respect for orthodoxy, but my reverence for inspiration is far greater.... God forbid that I should cut or shape, even in the least degree, any divine expression. So runs the text, and so we must read it, "God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."" —"Salvation By Knowing the Truth" C.H. Spurgeon

What is most interesting about Spurgeon when being spoken of by Calvinists, is that in one breathe they will claim him to be one of the greatest preachers.. and then when people show them many of his sermons and views that go against some of their views, written by Spurgeon, they suddenly change their tone and for that discussion he falls from being a prince of Preachers to being a good preacher with some things they don't agree with.

Ie.. like the sermon piece just above this. It is speaking of the scripture that states.

 

[psalms109:31]

allen

Allan I got the signature from a Post from Jerome. There is more to it than that, it is all i could put there. It is important to see that side of Spurgeon when he has said Calvinism is the Gospel

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

While I greatly admire Spurgeon, he was also greatly wrong on some issues and this is one. That does make make him any less a great man of God, just as he praises Wesley as being equally qualified as Whitefield for apostleship if it was something for today. That comes from the same sermon as noted here:

This is not a trait found in many today.

I also agree with Spurgeon here as was stated in a post earlier:

What is most interesting about Spurgeon when being spoken of by Calvinists, is that in one breathe they will claim him to be one of the greatest preachers.. and then when people show them many of his sermons and views that go against some of their views, written by Spurgeon, they suddenly change their tone and for that discussion he falls from being a prince of Preachers to being a good preacher with some things they don't agree with.

Ie.. like the sermon piece just above this. It is speaking of the scripture that states.

I for one don't view him as the prince of preachers....I perhaps would give that distinction to George Whitefield or perhaps he was more specifically the greatest evangelist of all time....depends who you speak to. Luke has much affection for Jonathon Edwards. Again, depends who you speak to.

 

[Aaron]

just HOW vital is it to you that your pastor(s) and Church officially teaches/preaches calvinism?

Does it matter if either 4/5 points of TULIP?

Would you not be able to even attend/membership with a Church that teaches/preaches strongly the Bible
just epouses armenion theology?

The church that teaches man must be saved, preaches jesus alone can save, believes bible is infallible, second coming etc...

MUST they also be Cal for you to attend?

Adrressed to Cals in the audience!

Yes, of course. Calvinism is the Gospel. Anything else is not.

 

[JesusFan]

Yes, of course. Calvinism is the Gospel. Anything else is not.

Thought Jesus birth, life. death. resurrection is the Gospel, with His Apostles inspired by God to rightly interprete it for us...

Apostles were inspired, Calvin and calvinism, as well as Arminus and arminian were NOT....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes I am a poster on the Puritan Board.

I would bet you dont take the abuse on Puritan that you do on here.....BTW, how is the Colonel? Give him a Semper Fi for me. He didnt take any Helicopter missions lately, did he? LOL!

 

[JesusFan]

I would bet you dont take the abuse on Puritan that you do on here.....BTW, how is the Colonel? Give him a Semper Fi for me. He didnt take any Helicopter missions lately, did he? LOL!

Actually, I do 'visit" that board a lot, applied to become a member, was not "reformed" enough though...

From what I have seen there..
That board is MUCH tougher to those who are not KJV people, or dispy/non cal or believe in gifts!

 

[Alive in Christ]

Osage Blusteme...

You claimed...

God inspired the bible to be understood and calvinism is the only correct understanding of it.

Jehovahs Wittnesses....

"We are witnesses of Jehovah, and we only have the true interpretation of the Bible.

Catholics...

"We, through the Magesterium, have the only true interpretation of the bible.

Mormonism......

"It is only through the mormon teachings that that the scriptures can be understood"

It is only through the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy that the truth of the scriptures can be found.

"It is only through the teachings of L Ron Hubbard that one can find the truth of the scriptures."

The truth is that it is through the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit that truth is found.

And the unfortunate thing is that every last one of is flawed to some degree in our hearing, because of our indwelling sin. "Perfection" alludes us...until our homecoming. We are all a "work in progress"

Any and all claims of "perfect teaching" coming from any man, or organisation, is a serious error.

 

[quantumfaith]

Osage Blusteme...

You claimed...



Jehovahs Wittnesses....



Catholics...



Mormonism......







The truth is that it is through the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit that truth is found.

And the unfortunate thing is that every last one of is flawed to some degree in our hearing, because our indwelling sin. "Perfection" alludes us...until hour homecoming. We are all a "work in progress"

Any and all claims of "perfect teaching" coming from any man, or organisation, is a serious error.

:applause::applause::applause:

 

[Osage Bluestem]

It is my conviction that a christian is either a calvinist or he is wrong.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Hey!

Another "round of applause" from quantumfaith! :thumbs:

I always feel honored when I get one of those!

 

[JesusFan]

It is my conviction that a christian is either a calvinist or he is wrong.

is he still a Christian?

just saying, that you can go find any doctrine and make it test for orthodoxy...

IF one is KJVO...
If one says Gifts did/did not cease
If one is pre/post/amil
If one is dispy/convenant
And so on!

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Osage Blusteme...

You claimed...



Jehovahs Wittnesses....



Catholics...



Mormonism......







The truth is that it is through the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit that truth is found.

And the unfortunate thing is that every last one of is flawed to some degree in our hearing, because of our indwelling sin. "Perfection" alludes us...until our homecoming. We are all a "work in progress"

Any and all claims of "perfect teaching" coming from any man, or organisation, is a serious error.

I'll take solid exegesis covered in proper hermeneutics rather than the man who thinks the Holy Spirit is teaching him. :type:

 

[Osage Bluestem]

I'll take solid exegesis covered in proper hermeneutics rather than the man who thinks the Holy Spirit is teaching him. :type:

Which is why only Calvinism is correct. It is the very definition of solid exegesis wroght from proper hermeneutics.