Hi Winman, I defined spiritual death biblically. To be separated spiritually is to be "dead" spiritually. We were separated because of the consequence of Adam's sin, he knowingly violated God's word. We were made sinners, which means we were made separated from God. Thus we were spiritually dead before we volitionally sinned. Conceived in iniquity.
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IF You deny original Sin, isn't Virgin Birth Also Denied Too?
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He did come in the "same" flesh, hence his humanity, and thus the incarnation--meaning "God come in the flesh."
The fact that he was conceived by the Holy Spirit does not change the fact that he was born of flesh, it only changes the fact that he did not inherit a sin nature. His humanity is reflected in his fleshly desires: He thirsted, hungered, wept, tired, grieved, was angered, etc., and yet never sinned. If he did not have the same sin, he would not have been able to be tempted in all points such as we are and were.
I am not denying that God came "in the flesh" in Jesus...
Just denying that he came in "exactness" of my Flesh...
came in "likeness", was a real Man, physical being
Dual natures God/Man
Just that His humanity was sinless, was as when God created Adam, no sin nature!
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Any Bible verse that states that this was the way that Jesus the human was sinless?
Holy Spirit conceived Him within Womb of mary...
God was/is His father, and as the sin nature/curse was seen as being passed through the male/Father in jewish lienage...
Unless he was Virgin Born, By Holy Spirit Conceiving Him...
Also, believe that the Newtestament in hebrews quotes believe Psalms that states that he (messiah/Jesus) was in the bofy formed/created for Him to be in
Think ties in that God had Him come in a perfect Human Flesh condition, like us as being fully Human, unlike us as having NO sinful nature!
Would have inherited the sin nature common to man, and would not be qualified to be the Messiah!
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False, the Jews do not believe in original sin, so to say they believed the sin nature was passed by the male is pure nonsense. The 18th chapter of Ezekiel addresses this topic directly and says the son shall not bear the iniquity of his father.Holy Spirit conceived Him within Womb of mary...
God was/is His father, and as the sin nature/curse was seen as being passed through the male/Father in jewish lienage...
If the sin nature is passed only by the male, then what difference does it make if the woman is a virgin?Unless he was Virgin Born, By Holy Spirit Conceiving Him...
Also, believe that the Newtestament in hebrews quotes believe Psalms that states that he (messiah/Jesus) was in the bofy formed/created for Him to be in
Think ties in that God had Him come in a perfect Human Flesh condition, like us as being fully Human, unlike us as having NO sinful nature!
Would have inherited the sin nature common to man, and would not be qualified to be the Messiah!
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[/QUOTE]False, the Jews do not believe in original sin, so to say they believed the sin nature was passed by the male is pure nonsense. The 18th chapter of Ezekiel addresses this topic directly and says the son shall not bear the iniquity of his father.
If the sin nature is passed only by the male, then what difference does it make if the woman is a virgin.
Think ties in that God had Him come in a perfect Human Flesh condition, like us as being fully Human, unlike us as having NO sinful nature!
Would have inherited the sin nature common to man, and would not be qualified to be the Messiah!
She was a Virgin to fulfill prophecy of Isaiah, that a Virgin would conceive and bring forth a Son....
Jesus got His Humanity from Mary. for the "flesh" physical Body, but by the Holy Spirit conceiving Him, by passed getting the sin nature....
She was a Virgin to fulfill prophecy of Isaiah, that a Virgin would conceive and bring forth a Son....
Jesus got His Humanity from Mary. for the "flesh" physical Body, but by the Holy Spirit conceiving Him, by passed getting the sin nature....
Now you are saying something quite different. I agree Jesus was born of a virgin as a sign.
We are not born with a sinful nature, read Psalms 139:13-16. Here David praises God for making his body.
Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. 14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiosly wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there were none of them.
Here David said God fashioned his body. He says he was fearfully and wonderfully made, and God's works are marvelous.
Does God make evil? What would be wonderful or marvelous about being made a sinner?
So, I agree with you, Jesus was not born with a sin nature. But neither were we. We are born flesh, which is weak and easily tempted, but we do not become sinners until we actually commit sin.
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