When was the jailer regenerated (born-again)?

[kyredneck]

[Aside to the discussion]

Assuming ANY "spiritual" significance of the jailer's query is questionable. It is because of the way the verse is translated.

Having no Greek skills whatsoever, I would be interested to know what you see in the translation of the verse that questions any 'spiritual' significance to the jailers question. Not disputing you at all, just would like to know what you see (or don't).

....The jailer, who had been asleep and not in the jail when Paul and Silvanus were singing and had NO spiritual interest......

This is an assumption. I'm of the assumption that the jailer DID have a 'spiritual' interest because he had NEVER before seen such great faith and joy that Paul and Silas were exhibiting under such adverse conditions, and was deeply impressed and moved by by it. The earthquake, destruction to the jail, and subsequent fear for his life would have been 'the straw that broke the camel's back' which drove him to Christ, jmho.

(99% of use of this Greek word in literature is talking about delivered from death, danger, etc)

Again, I have no Greek skills, but I totally agree with this. 'Sōzō', translated 'save' (read deliver), is ingrained in most minds to always carry eternal significance and is mistakenly believed to be always synonymous with the birth from above or the acquiring of eternal life. It is not.

I believe the jailer knew enough about this religion of Paul and Silas to have connected that word 'saved' to describe a devotee of the religion of Jesus Christ. IMO, to paraphrase the jailer's question:

“Sirs, what must I do to join this religion (and have this great joy and confidence that you have)?”

I seriously doubt that 'saved from eternity burning in hell' was on his mind.

 

[kyredneck]

And while you're at it, Brother SBM, review Baptist Board Posting Rule #1, (link at the bottom of the page):thumbs:

[sigh] It figures.

I do not see the link, but can you give it to me and I will read it. Thanks !

'Other Christian Denominations' is a good active forum. They could use a sound 'DoG' like you there.

 

[savedbymercy]

I see it now, Thanks, so I guess that means I cannot post in this section since I am not baptist, no problem I will not post in it anymore.

 

[kyredneck]

I see it now, Thanks, so I guess that means I cannot post in this section since I am not baptist, no problem I will not post in it anymore.

Check out 'Other Christian Denominations' forum. I think you'll like it. [edit] I see you've already been posting there. Good.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

The jailer, who had been asleep and not in the jail when Paul and Silvanus were singing and had NO spiritual interest, came in and asked the PHYSICAL question most on his mind - how could he be "delivered" (99% of use of this Greek word in literature is talking about delivered from death, danger, etc)

Paul, ever the one quick to testify, turned a quick play-on-words and showed him his need was SPIRITUAL, not physical! How great is that for an example.

With respect, I don't think your view holds water. It may certainly be true that sozo refers to physical salvation in 99% of pagan Greek litetature- that is hardly a surprise; but it is not the case in the NT.

In the case of the jailor, Paul had already reassured him about his physical salvation (Acts 16:28), but he had seen the faith of Paul and Silas, and the miraculous power of God. He had been convicted of his sinful state and was inquiring about his soul. If not, Paul's reply would have been highly misleading to him. Faith in Christ is not necessarily a protection against physical death.

No, the context indicates that Paul correctly interpreted the jailor's words as an inquiry about spiritual salvation and counselled him accordingly.

Steve

 

[DHK]

dhk:
Yes it is, its a law Matt 23:

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus said Faith is something they ought to have done ! The word done is the greek word poieo and means :
to do

a) to act rightly, do well

BTW, those of you who believe one is saved because of placing their Faith in Christ, you believe in salvation by works, by doing well, by acting rightly, by something you did !

You have defined salvation is by works.

The word faith in Mat.23:23 has an article in front of it, making it refer to "the faith." The obligation of the Pharisees were to teach "the faith," which they had omitted. For this they were being rebuked.
Vine's Word Studies translates the word as "faithfulness," not faith. This also is a work, and not faith, as "faith" in God. Either way, Jesus was not referring to faith as in belief or confidence. Faith is not a work.

 

[Dr. Bob]

The jailer beat Paul and Silvanus
The jailer imprisoned them
The jailer went to sleep
The jailer was awakened in the earthquake
The jailer considered suicide
The jailer was TOLD no one escaped
The jailer brought in lights (to SEE what happened)
The jailer fell shaking in front of the vocal prisoner Paul
The jailer who had been TOLD asked of deliverance
Paul twisted the conversation to the Lord

Seems pretty straightforward. Phillipi was a free Roman city for soldiers who, after serving the full enlistment, were given land. Most scholars assume the jailer to be such a soldier, perhaps finishing his term. Knew about authority; no inkling of ANY spiritual knowledge whatsoever. Had not heard singing, etc (he was asleep). He wanted to be saved PHYSICALLY.

Heard an evangelist say he always went to Shell Gas stations. Would ask the attendant "What is the name of this company?"
"Shell"
Then ask, "What if you took off the first letter?"
"Hell"
"That is where you are headed if you don't repent"

 

[Jerome]

Interesting contrast:

He wanted to be saved PHYSICALLY.

Calvin, Commentary:

"he showeth himself obedient to God, and desirous of sound and wholesome doctrine. He demandeth how he may obtain salvation"

 

[Steadfast Fred]

When the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" he was not speaking of physical salvation.

He previously was going to kill himself because he supposed that prisoner's had escaped. Paul and Silas assured him that not one had escaped the custody of the jailer when they said, "Do thyself no harm, for we are all here."

The jailer had no need to fear for his physical safety, for he was in no jeopardy of being killed. Paul's answer was an answer of hope.

This brought conviction to the jailer's heart as evidenced by the jailer's next statement, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And the answer was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

It was definitely a spiritual Salvation the jailer was seeking and it was definitely a spiritual Salvation that was imparted to him once he trusted Christ.

 

[kyredneck]

The jailer beat Paul and Silvanus....

Don't think so:

22 And the multitude rose up together against them, and the magistrates having torn their garments from them, were commanding to beat them with rods,
23 many blows also having laid upon them, they cast them to prison, having given charge to the jailor to keep them safely,
35 And day having come, the magistrates sent the rod-bearers, saying, `Let those men go;`
36 and the jailor told these words unto Paul -- `The magistrates have sent, that ye may be let go; now, therefore, having gone forth go on in peace;`
37 and Paul said to them, `Having beaten us publicly uncondemned -- men, Romans being -- they did cast us to prison, and now privately do they cast us forth! why no! but having come themselves, let them bring us forth.` Acts 16 YLT

I'd put my money on the 'rod-bearers' (sergeants) being the ones that did the beating, not the jailer.

 

[Alive in Christ]

SteadfastFred...

When the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" he was not speaking of physical salvation.

He previously was going to kill himself because he supposed that prisoner's had escaped. Paul and Silas assured him that not one had escaped the custody of the jailer when they said, "Do thyself no harm, for we are all here."

The jailer had no need to fear for his physical safety, for he was in no jeopardy of being killed. Paul's answer was an answer of hope.

This brought conviction to the jailer's heart as evidenced by the jailer's next statement, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And the answer was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

It was definitely a spiritual Salvation the jailer was seeking and it was definitely a spiritual Salvation that was imparted to him once he trusted Christ.

This is precisely how I have always taken that passage.

Of course the jailer was worried about his physical welfare...at 1st. But as the entire encounter played out, spiritual conviction took place, and before long he was concerned with things much more important then what he was concerned about at 1st.

Praise God.

 

[JesusFan]

When the jailer asked Paul, "What must I do to be saved?" Was he already born again (regenerated)?

If not, why did he even seek the answer to this question considering that the natural man would never seek God?

If so, then can you answer Charles Spurgeon's question for me:

"If I am to preach the faith in Christ to a man who is regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved already, and it is an unnecessary and ridiculous thing for me to preach Christ to him, and bid him to believe in order to be saved when he is saved already, being regenerate. Am I only to preach faith to those who have it? Absurd, indeed! Is not this waiting till the man is cured and then bringing him the medicine? This is preaching Christ to the righteous and not to sinners." [Sermon entitled The Warrant of Faith].

Well, if one is already a Christian, than what need is there to proclaim to them what already saved him?

Think jailor perfect example of how God works in both inward/outward means/providental timing...

heard /saw/ God stirred his soul and mind to prompt the question, and Paul "just happened" to be one there to give him the answer!

 

[Winman]

SteadfastFred...



This is precisely how I have always taken that passage.

Of course the jailer was worried about his physical welfare...at 1st. But as the entire encounter played out, spiritual conviction took place, and before long he was concerned with things much more important then what he was concerned about at 1st.

Praise God.

Was the jailer that worried about his physical life? Then why was he going to kill himself with his own sword? Perhaps he was afraid he would be abused and tortured, or executed in a prolonged and painful way for allowing prisoners to escape. Perhaps it would be better to die quickly, that is the impression I get from the story.

But there is more to the story than that. I believe the jailer had some knowledge of Paul and Silas, they had caused a riot in the city. Paul had been preaching for sometime in Philippi, so it is not a stretch to believe the jailer might have heard of this strange new doctrine they were teaching. It was probably the buzz of the city. It certainly became top news when Paul cast the spirit of divination out of the damsel that had been annoying him. This started a real riot. He had probably heard all about the spirit being cast out of the girl.

When the earthquake opened the doors and loosed each man's bands, he was concerned that the prisoners had escaped as that was his duty, but I believe the earthquake also convinced him that Paul and Silas were no ordinary men, and that God had caused the earthquake to free them. It would be pretty terrifying to believe you were persecuting God's servants.

So, I believe he burst in in true humility and fear, wanting to know and understand this doctrine and how he could be saved.