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is the Doctrine Of Election Even Compatible With idea Free Will?
- Thread starter JesusFan
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Can the two exist peacefully together?
Or concepts mutually exclusive?
I do not think election is mentioned in A Treatise of the Faith and Practices of the National Association of Free Will Baptists. Here are the statements and biblical references from chapter 6: The Atonement and Mediation of Christ, and chapter 8: The Gospel Call. Please note, there does not appear to be any biblical references provided for the last two sentences of the statement in chapter 6.
...Bob
STATEMENTS
CHAPTER VI
The Atonement and Mediation of Christ
1. The Atonement. As sin cannot be pardoned
without a sacrifice, and the blood of beasts could
never wash away sin, Christ gave Himself a sacrifice
for the sins of the world, (77) and thus made salvation
possible for all men. (78) He died for us, suffering in our
stead, to make known the righteousness of God, that
He might be just in justifying sinners who believe in
His Son. (79) Through the redemption effected by Christ,
salvation is actually enjoyed in this world, and will be
enjoyed in the next by all who do not in this life
refuse obedience to the known requirements of God. (80)
The atonement for sin was necessary. (81) For present
and future obedience can no more blot out our past
sins than past obedience can remove the guilt of present
and future sins. If God pardoned the sins of men
without satisfaction for the violation of His law, it
would follow that transgression might go on with
impunity; government would be abrogated, and the
obligation of obedience to God would be, in effect,
removed.
[Bob's Note: No Biblical reference given for the last two sentences.]
2. Mediation of Christ. Our Lord not only died for
our sins, but He arose for our justification, (82)
and ascended up to heaven, (83) where, as the only mediator
between God and man, He makes intercession for us
until He comes again. (84)
3. We believe that all children dying in infancy,
having not actually transgressed against the law of
God in their own persons, are only subject to the first
death, which was brought on by the fall of the first
Adam, and not that any one of them dying in that state
shall suffer punishment in hell by the guilt of Adam’s
sin for of such is the Kingdom of God. (85)
. . .
CHAPTER VIII
The Gospel Call
The call of the Gospel is co-extensive with the atonement to all men, (102)
both by the word and strivings of the Spirit, (103)
so that salvation is rendered equally possible to all; (104)
and if any fail of eternal life, the fault is wholly his own. (105)
BIBLICAL REFERENCES
(77)
1 John 2:2: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for
ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Isa. 53:5; 10:11;
Rom. 4:25; Matt. 20:28; 1 Pet. 3:18; John 1:29; Heb. 9:26; Rom.
5:6, 8.
(78)
Titus 2:11: For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath
appeared to all men. Heb. 2:9: That he by the grace of God should
taste death for every man. 1 Tim. 2:6; Isa. 45:22; 2 Pet. 3:9; 2 Cor.
5:14, 15; 1 Tim. 4:10.
(79)
Romans 3:25, 26: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,
to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just,
and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Rom. 5:9, 18;
Matt. 26:28; Eph. 1:7; Rev. 5:9; 1 Pet. 2:24.
(80)
Romans 5:18: Therefore as by the offence of one judgment
came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness
of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom. 8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which
are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit
Mark 16:15; Rom. 2:14,15.
(81)
Hebrews 9:22: Without shedding of blood is no remission.
Eph 1:7: In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins.
(82)
Romans 4:25: Who was delivered for our offences, and was
raised again for our justification. 1 Cor. 15:17.
(83)
Acts 1:11: This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into
heaven. Mark 16:19.
(84)
Hebrews 7:25: He ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Rom. 8:34; Heb. 9:24.
(85)
1 Corinthians 15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ
shall all be made alive.
. . .
(102)
Mark 16:15: Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel
to every creature. Isa. 45:22: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the
ends of the earth. Prov. 8:4; Isa. 55:1; Rev. 22:17.
(103)
Joel 2:28: I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh. John 16:8;
John 1:9; Isa. 55:11; Luke 2:10.
(104)
1 Timothy 2:4: Who will have all men to be saved, and to
come unto the knowledge of the truth. Acts 10:34: God is no
respecter of persons. Ezek. 33:11; 2 Pet. 3:9.
(105)
Hosea 13:9: O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself. Prov. 1:24-
31; Isa. 65:12; Jer. 7:13, 14; Zech. 7:11-13; John 5:40: And ye will
not come to me, that ye might have life. Matt. 23:37.
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glfredrick
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Yes and no. Yes, because God says so. No, because WE will NEVER figure out how it works because we are not infinite like God. :laugh:
The best way I've found to think about the issue is built on the concept of parallel lines. Like train tracks, two lines that appear parallel may not in fact be truly parallel if traced to some point farther beyond the horizon than we can contemplate. I suggest that the lines narrow and meet right at the throne of God, our King.
The best way I've found to think about the issue is built on the concept of parallel lines. Like train tracks, two lines that appear parallel may not in fact be truly parallel if traced to some point farther beyond the horizon than we can contemplate. I suggest that the lines narrow and meet right at the throne of God, our King.
Yes and no. Yes, because God says so. No, because WE will NEVER figure out how it works because we are not infinite like God. :laugh:
The best way I've found to think about the issue is built on the concept of parallel lines. Like train tracks, two lines that appear parallel may not in fact be truly parallel if traced to some point farther beyond the horizon than we can contemplate. I suggest that the lines narrow and meet right at the throne of God, our King.
is it somewhat like how we view Inspiration?
Holy Spirit was directly involved in the process, directed and guided it so that exactly what he wanted written was recorded down even to very word, yet God also allowed the individual to put themselves into the process, their personalities and all?