true/False Calvinism Is Without error/Mistake In way Sees the Scriptures!

[Rippon]

if we get specific and ask if they think the five points of the TULIP are all without error, they may put in weasel words but they would agree.

Personally, I am convinced four of the five points of the TULIP are in error.

I wish you would quitchercomplainin' and study the Canons of Dort instead on relying on the TULIP shorthand version alone. Read those articles --then report back to me first thing September 2nd. I'm givin' ya' more than two months to get the job done --Go to it!

Like almost all Baptists, I agree with John Calvin that Christ died for all men, but Calvinism differs from John Calvin on this point.

You are misinformed. Here is his reponse to Heshusius : "I should like to know how the wicked can eat the flesh of Christ which was not crucified for them,and how they can drink the blood which was not shed to expiate their sins."

 

[Van]

Reply to Dr. Bob

The Gospel "shorthand" (man-made summary of Bible truth) that is known as "Calvinism" is 100% accurate. It is wildly misunderstood by blind haters and wildly abused by some neo-calvinists

What part is not 100% "Bible"?
1. God is holy and sovereign king in charge of salvation, and man isn't
2. Man is completely incapable of doing right in the sight of God and hellbound wretches at enmity with God
3. God the Father selected (unmerited, unconditional grace) some hellbound wretches to receive His grace, to show the glory of grace
4. God the Son actually atoned and took away the sin of those selected ones so that they might stand justified and holy
5. God the Spirit re-gened the hearts of the selected/atoned-for ones so that they could repent and believe
6. God the Triune Godhead keeps for all eternity the selected/atoned-for/regenerated ones and will lose none

Many today give lip service to #1 but then put THEMSELVES as #2-6 and have salvation depend on them. Foolish and deceived.

1. God is holy and sovereign king in charge of salvation, and man isn't
Sounds like truth, but Calvinism redefined "sovereign" not as defined in the dictionary, to mean "has chosen to deterministically predestine everything." This is an unbiblical view of "sovereign." It makes Calvinism sovereign rather than God.

2. Man is completely incapable of doing right in the sight of God and hellbound wretches at enmity with God
Man is capable of seeking God through faith according to the Bible, and yet this truth is denied by the false doctrine of Calvinism. See Romans chapter 7, and the last three soils of Matthew 13. So the issue is not that we "do right in the eyes of God" but that God credits our worthless, wretch faith in Christ as righteousness, Romans 4:4-5.

3. God the Father selected (unmerited, unconditional grace) some hellbound wretches to receive His grace, to show the glory of grace
This is partly true, but this does not address the timing of our individual election for salvation, and is unbiblical when it says the grace is unconditional, because it is conditioned on God crediting our faith as righteousness.

4. God the Son actually atoned and took away the sin of those selected ones so that they might stand justified and holy
Completely true, whoever God spiritually places "in Christ" is made "at one with" Christ, and when they undergo the circumcision of Christ, they stand justified and holy before God. But Calvinisms understanding of this truth misses the mark.

5. God the Spirit re-gened the hearts of the selected/atoned-for ones so that they could repent and believe
Utterly false. No one is made alive before they are made alive "together with Christ" which means we are regenerated when God spiritually places us "in Christ" and not before. Everyone "in Christ" is alive, everyone not in Christ is spiritually separated from God and therefore spiritually dead. Scripture says after we believe, then we are given the right to become children of God. When God places us spiritually in Christ, we become spiritual children of God born from above, with the right as heirs, to become physical children in glorified bodies at His second coming.

6. God the Triune Godhead keeps for all eternity the selected/atoned-for/regenerated ones and will lose none
Utterly true.

 

[Cypress]

I'm going to shoot myself in the head if I have to read another Cal/Arminian post...:laugh:

Please don"t.....the ricochet could be devastating:love2::laugh::love2:

 

[JesusFan]

1. God is holy and sovereign king in charge of salvation, and man isn't
Sounds like truth, but Calvinism redefined "sovereign" not as defined in the dictionary, to mean "has chosen to deterministically predestine everything." This is an unbiblical view of "sovereign." It makes Calvinism sovereign rather than God.

ONLY those of the "High Camp" cal state that... majority of us believe that God does determine some things , others happen to Him permitting/allowing them to occur, but he is still remaining in control!

2. Man is completely incapable of doing right in the sight of God and hellbound wretches at enmity with God
Man is capable of seeking God through faith according to the Bible, and yet this truth is denied by the false doctrine of Calvinism. See Romans chapter 7, and the last three soils of Matthew 13. So the issue is not that we "do right in the eyes of God" but that God credits our worthless, wretch faith in Christ as righteousness, Romans 4:4-5.

man is both depraved and unable to come to Gob "by ourselves" BOTH Cals/Arms affirm this!

3. God the Father selected (unmerited, unconditional grace) some hellbound wretches to receive His grace, to show the glory of grace
This is partly true, but this does not address the timing of our individual election for salvation, and is unbiblical when it says the grace is unconditional, because it is conditioned on God crediting our faith as righteousness.

the grace IS unconditional, as we have NOTHING in us that would allow God to extend mercies to us, and we cannot come to faith UNLESS he first enables us to, BOTH cals/arms affirm this!

4. God the Son actually atoned and took away the sin of those selected ones so that they might stand justified and holy
Completely true, whoever God spiritually places "in Christ" is made "at one with" Christ, and when they undergo the circumcision of Christ, they stand justified and holy before God. But Calvinisms understanding of this truth misses the mark.

God knows those who are His own, and by them them receiving the Lord Jesus, they confirm that fact!

5. God the Spirit re-gened the hearts of the selected/atoned-for ones so that they could repent and believe
Utterly false. No one is made alive before they are made alive "together with Christ" which means we are regenerated when God spiritually places us "in Christ" and not before. Everyone "in Christ" is alive, everyone not in Christ is spiritually separated from God and therefore spiritually dead. Scripture says after we believe, then we are given the right to become children of God. When God places us spiritually in Christ, we become spiritual children of God born from above, with the right as heirs, to become physical children in glorified bodies at His second coming.

God HAS to though enable us to be able to receive Christ first, wether its preveiling grace or election Grace, both cals/arms affirm God has to do"something" in order to allow us to come to faith in Christ!

6. God the Triune Godhead keeps for all eternity the selected/atoned-for/regenerated ones and will lose none
Utterly true.

As salvation is of the Lord!

 

[Van]

Reply to Jesusfan,

As salvation is of the Lord!

That is what I said but not what you meant.

 

[JesusFan]

That is what I said but not what you meant.

? Please rephrase so that I can understand!