Repent without Belief

[Gershom]

You have trouble intepreting Scripture. You looked all over and saw the word "faith" and got satisfied.

Where does Paul say his faith saved Him? Do show.

He attributes it all to Grace. I know that chaps your hide. How dare him give all the glory to God and His grace, and not be like you, and attribute it to some faith you think you had and used in yourself.

And tell me, lil one, how you are balanced, when you ascribe your own salvation to yourself (your faith)?

I noticed you didn't step up like a Christian, or a man, and blame the mod for his remarks. Holding mens persons in admiration because of advantage? Does that verse describe you? You betcha!

I'm not politicking. But you are! :thumbsup:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Again, the big guy squirms away. You've been shown. You continue to be blind.

And don't presume to role play my relationship with the Father. It's very little of you.

 

[preacher4truth]

DHK,

Just showed some church folks what you said here.

They could not believe how you irreverenced Gods grace, and said it is unbelievable, and that you should examine yourself, and literally be ashamed of yourself for what you've said.

Of course, I agree.

I'm done with you. I'll leave you alone, biblically, as a brother who should be ashamed of himself.

I have to distance myself from whatever bitterness or gall is within you, and that you used to mock God's Grace. I will pray for you.

 

[DHK]

Uh, no, son,. What you plainly did was diminished and belittled God's grace by comparing it to a school girl, and implying how trivial it would be by HIM using HIS grace to reach a tribe in Africa.

You mocked God's grace. Plain and simply mocked it.

Again? You are 100% irreverent.

But...

Isn't it interesting you have more reverence for your own faith that you used to save yourself, than you do for God's Grace?

Interesting indeed.

You have continuously mocked Gods Grace.

Unbelieveable.

(That you have done these things, and have no shame, tells me a lot about what goes on inside you and how you feel about God. All of this comes from your heart)

Who is being irreverent? I gave you Scripture. You refused to answer it. You avoid Scripture like the plague. That is irreverence--to avoid God's Word, which is to avoid God himself.

But I think I have found the reason why. In your profile you were asked to give a statement of your salvation. (This is open for all to see).
Here is your statement of salvation:

I don't think I am. I know through the Son of God, and He saving me from my sin.

Your own words condemn you. You don't believe that you are saved. Even though you say "grace saves you," you don't believe that you are saved. You go on to say that God is saving (a continuous act) you from your sin. Your testimony shows a complete misunderstanding of salvation and puts the question into most people's mind whether indeed you are even saved. Is it any wonder then, that you are arguing so vociferously against what the Bible says about salvation?

Please make sure of your own before you go any further.

 

[preacher4truth]

Again, the big guy squirms away. You've been shown. You continue to be blind.

And don't presume to role play my relationship with the Father. It's very little of you.

Role play? Wake up, that's all drummed up error and fabrication on you.

Blind? Hmmm. You mean like blind in implying lost? Calling my salvation into queestion? All signs of you losing?

Personal attack much?

 

[Gershom]

DHK,

Just showed some church folks what you said here.

They could not believe how you irreverenced Gods grace, and said it is unbelievable, and that you should examine yourself, and literally be ashamed of yourself for what you've said.

Of course, I agree.

I'm done with you. I'll leave you alone, biblically, as a brother who should be ashamed of himself.

I have to distance myself from whatever bitterness or gall is within you, and that you used to mock God's Grace. I will pray for you.

Translation : I have nothing and cannot face the challenge of dealing with Scripture and this is finally my opportunity to bow out.

:laugh::laugh:

 

[Gershom]

Role play? Wake up, that's all drummed up error and fabrication on you.

Blind? Hmmm. You mean like blind in implying lost? Calling my salvation into queestion? All signs of you losing?

Personal attack much?

No genius, blind as in you have not faced the scripture given to you.

 

[preacher4truth]

Translation : I have nothing and cannot face the challenge of dealing with Scripture and this is finally my opportunity to bow out.

And you turn a blind eye to justice and to his irreverence toward God's Grace. You're a preacher? Tell me no, please.

You two are both then guilty of irreverence for God.

That, and you sound fightin' mad. :thumbsup:

 

[preacher4truth]

No genius, blind as in you have not faced the scripture given to you.

No, I think you imply unsaved, but not big enough of a man to back it up word for word. :love2:

Wish I could call you genius. But I cannot lie.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Your consistent pattern of personal remarks is what provokes others to blame you.

You've given no evidence other than mouthing your unbalanced opinion.

1 Timothy 1 in no way supports your idea that grace saves. In fact, if you look at verse 16, it proves what you oppose (faith saves). Try another.

G....you have guts criticizing Preach4Truth & all the while you post a comment from Luke as your signature. Cute!

 

[Benjamin]

Just showed some church folks what you said here.

Do me a favor and ask your buddies what they think about this:

Originally Posted by Winman:

(1)

God has shown his grace to all men.

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Notice it is the same grace. There is not some general grace offered to some men, and effectual grace to others, the scriptures say the grace "that bringeth salvation" hath appeared to all men. Notice it says "appeared". It is shown to men, it is revealed, but it is not given. That is important.

Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Here is what you do not understand. Grace is shown to all men, but only those who believe have "access" into this grace. No faith, no grace.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Jesus died for all men, that is why it is preached to all men. But it only profits those who believe. The writer here shows that a person can "come short" of a promise left them. The promise was to them and it was sincere, but they came short because of unbelief.

So, God offers grace to all men, but only those who believe have access to this grace.

(2)

Jesus said a woman's faith saved her.

Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

(3)

You are correct, we are saved by grace, but we only have access to this grace by faith. No faith, no grace.

Well said Winman.

 

[Gershom]

G....you have guts criticizing Preach4Truth & all the while you post a comment from Luke as your signature. Cute!

There are two bullies on the board. Sometimes you get tired of it.

 

[preacher4truth]

G....you have guts criticizing Preach4Truth & all the while you post a comment from Luke as your signature. Cute!

That, and he supports a brother and fights against biblical admonishment toward him for totally mocking and belittling God's Grace.

I call them one in the same on this sin. Both should be ashamed.

 

[Gershom]

No, I think you imply unsaved, but not big enough of a man to back it up word for word. :love2:

Wish I could call you genius. But I cannot lie.

Nope. Not questioning your salvation at all. You turn a blind eye in the face of Scripture given to you in this thread.

 

[preacher4truth]

Do me a favor and ask your buddies what they think about this:



Well said Winman.

They believe that, but that's only one side.

They also believe "By Grace are you saved."

You got a problem with them believing they were saved by God's grace?

Or, just a problem?

You proof-text. Wow. So do others.

 

[DHK]

They believe that, but that's only one side.

They also believe "By Grace are you saved."

You got a problem with them believing they were saved by God's grace?

Or, just a problem?

You proof-text. Wow. So do others.

You quote just a small part of one verse.
Do you also believe Psalm 14:1 "There is no God."

 

[preacher4truth]

Nope. Not questioning your salvation at all. You turn a blind eye in the face of Scripture given to you in this thread.

No no, gersh, you called my salvation into question plainly. Now you're back-peddling.

And you also overlook and lie, protecting a brother who mocks the grace of God.

Be a man? Try it.

Yep. Your signature says it all, a troll you are. And it's meant out of malice, which is what folks do when they're not walking with God.

How long have you had your antagonizing malicious signature, gersh? A long time, yes? And you support one who publically mocks Gods Grace too? Wow gersh, good job buddy.

At least mine has Scripture.

 

[preacher4truth]

You quote just a small part of one verse.
Do you also believe Psalm 14:1 "There is no God."

DHK,

Just showed some church folks what you said here.

They could not believe how you irreverenced Gods grace, and said it is unbelievable, and that you should examine yourself, and literally be ashamed of yourself for what you've said.

Of course, I agree.

I'm done with you. I'll leave you alone, biblically, as a brother who should be ashamed of himself.

I have to distance myself from whatever bitterness or gall is within you, and that you used to mock God's Grace. I will pray for you.

 

[DHK]

No no, gersh, you called my salvation into question plainly. Now you're back-peddling.

And you also overlook and lie, protecting a brother who mocks the grace of God.

Be a man? Try it.

Yep. Your signature says it all, a troll you are. At least mine has Scripture.

There is no one here that mocked the grace of God. It is a false allegation, and you should be called for it.

 

[Benjamin]

They believe that, but that's only one side.

They also believe "By Grace are you saved."

You got a problem with them believing they were saved by God's grace?

Or, just a problem?

You proof-text. Wow. So do others.

This discussion is useless with someone who can hide behind a keyboard and be rude in every response.

 

[DHK]

DHK,

Just showed some church folks what you said here.

They could not believe how you irreverenced Gods grace, and said it is unbelievable, and that you should examine yourself, and literally be ashamed of yourself for what you've said.

Of course, I agree.

I'm done with you. I'll leave you alone, biblically, as a brother who should be ashamed of himself.

I have to distance myself from whatever bitterness or gall is within you, and that you used to mock God's Grace. I will pray for you.

You don't get it do you?
If you are going to quote Eph. 2:8 then quote the whole verse and quit taking it out of its context.
You are doing the same thing that I just did with Psalm 14:1. There is no difference.