Faith Received

[DHK]

Faith is a work.
1Thess 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father
2thess 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power:

I am a missionary. The field I went to, I went by faith. Notice the phrase "by faith." It is a prepositional phrase defining what I did. I went by faith.
Likewise in the verses above. You have a prepositional phrase "of faith" which defines "work". The work was done "of faith." Faith in and of itself is not a work. But here it is used as a prepositional phrase defining the word "work."

 

[quantumfaith]

I am a missionary. The field I went to, I went by faith. Notice the phrase "by faith." It is a prepositional phrase defining what I did. I went by faith.
Likewise in the verses above. You have a prepositional phrase "of faith" which defines "work". The work was done "of faith." Faith in and of itself is not a work. But here it is used as a prepositional phrase defining the word "work."

, mixed up a cut and paste DHK

 

[quantumfaith]

That is correct theology that you give about mans heart and hardening.

That is certainly possible brother. But, we do have one on here (in this thread) who claims God does not give faith to unbelievers as a gift of grace.

That is why I asked said to please then vote. Some comment but haven't voted, so the poll voting isn't an exact model of all on this thread.

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[preacher4truth]

This of course is utter nonsense and has no Scriptural support.
God is sovereign, but you wrongly define sovereignty. Never does the Bible describe God as a bully, a mind-controlling hypnotist, a maker of robots (which in your theology we all are). You have a sad, sad view of God.

God is love. He desires to have a relationship with his children. He desires his children to fellowship with Him. Read 1John chapter one and Ephesians chapter one. He knows our thoughts, but he didn't program us. Our thoughts are of our own choosing. He simply knows ahead of time what thoughts we will choose to make.

Your statements make no sense in the light of such commands as:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. (Philippians 4:8)
--Why the command to "think on these things" if God already put the thoughts in my mind to think on. I shouldn't have to worry about it. Why hasn't God put all good thoughts in my mind. According to your theology every evil thought I may have it is God's fault and therefore God that is sinning. You are attributing sin to God.

Let this mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus.
--not necessary if God already controls my thoughts.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; (2 Corinthians 10:5)
--Not necessary if God controls my thoughts.
--What is right? You or the Bible?
I go with the Bible.

YOU are the one claiming God the bully, because of His Scriptural Sovereignty, not me. I can't help what Scripture manifestations of God cause you to think. That's all on you.

God certainly allows Satan to give us bad thoughts. Who then is the Sovereign in control of it then? God, or Satan?

The Bible is correct, nothing I stated is in correct, it is all Biblical. God is in total control and I trust Him and would never call Him a bully.

And I'm not attributing sin to God. More words you try to put in my mouth. But I'm OK with that. This simply shows more of your not grasping Sovereignty. In your theology, you would say the same thing to Job, who said the things I said, "Shall we not receive good at the hand of God, and not also receive evil?" implying from God....but guess what friend, "there was no sin found in his lips" for doing so. But his friends judged him the same as you are judging me.

Your remarks to demean me don't become you as a Christian.

God bless you

 

[JesusFan]

YOU are the one claiming God the bully, because of His Scriptural Sovereignty, not me. I can't help what Scripture manifestations of God cause you to think. That's all on you.

God certainly allows Satan to give us bad thoughts. Who then is the Sovereign in control of it then? God, or Satan?

The Bible is correct, nothing I stated is in correct, it is all Biblical. God is in total control and I trust Him and would never call Him a bully.

And I'm not attributing sin to God. More words you try to put in my mouth. But I'm OK with that. This simply shows more of your not grasping Sovereignty. In your theology, you would say the same thing to Job, who said the things I said, "Shall we not receive good at the hand of God, and not also receive evil?" implying from God....but guess what friend, "there was no sin found in his lips" for doing so. But his friends judged him the same as you are judging me.

Your remarks to demean me don't become you as a Christian.

God bless you

Question that I had after reading all of this from DHK....

God desires a relationship with His children, but didn't Jesus say the Devil as his own kids to?

If God did reconcile all of us thru the Cross, why does satan have his kids still?

Also
Why all of this anger towards even the hint of the idea that God just MIGHT have elected out of a reprobate race His own people for His glory?

Almost like mad at God for daring to suggest such a thing!

 

[DHK]

Question that I had after reading all of this from DHK....

God desires a relationship with His children, but didn't Jesus say the Devil as his own kids to?

Yes, but even the devil doesn't force all the unsaved. They have a free will. The only ones that don't are those that have deliberately become demon-possessed. They have given their wills and minds over to Satan. But that is not your average person is it?

If God did reconcile all of us thru the Cross, why does satan have his kids still?

What does the Bible say about reconciliation?
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (2 Corinthians 5:19)
--Did he or didn't he reconcile the world unto himself? What does the verse teach? The answer is given more clearly in verse 21:

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)
--On the cross Christ was made sin. He took the penalty of the sin of the world upon himself. Why? That we, who believe, could be made the righteousness of God in him. It is the only way. But God is not finished with us yet.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. (2 Corinthians 5:20)
--God wants us to be reconciled to him, and he has given us a ministry of reconciliation as ambassadors of Christ to take the gospel to every creature that others also may be reconciled to him.

Reconciliation can only happen when one believes on the finished work of Christ. Not all believe. Thus there remains many who are not children of God.

Also
Why all of this anger towards even the hint of the idea that God just MIGHT have elected out of a reprobate race His own people for His glory?

Almost like mad at God for daring to suggest such a thing!

JesusFan, Do you agree with this quote:

I think the problem lies in the fine Biblical points of God's Sovereignty, such as, does He control the outcome of all things? I believe the Scriptures say He does clearly. I don't believe for one second that He does not control all things, even the thoughts and decisons of man, but that since He does, he grants to those whom He wills to grant salvation.

Is every thought that you have put there by God. Is God that controlling?
My response was such because I find that this view of God, in the light of Scripture, a heretical view of God. It makes God a bully, so powerful that every creature is simply a robot with no power even to think one thought. This is totally unbiblical; has no basis in Scripture whatsoever. Thus my reaction to the post, which I tried to refute with ample Scripture.

 

[quantumfaith]

Question that I had after reading all of this from DHK....

God desires a relationship with His children, but didn't Jesus say the Devil as his own kids to?

If God did reconcile all of us thru the Cross, why does satan have his kids still?

Also
Why all of this anger towards even the hint of the idea that God just MIGHT have elected out of a reprobate race His own people for His glory?

Almost like mad at God for daring to suggest such a thing!

Jesusfan,

Now, what I know of you here, you are "fair, balanced and gentle" in spirit. SURELY you do not think that ANYONE around here is "mad at God".

Now speaking for myself, (and possibly for some others). I try hard not to be overly critical about theological positions different than my own, what I admittedly "do do" is to be critical of what I feel unwarranted sarcastic snips, obviously then I respond sharply. ( I don't usually "feel good" about that.....well maybe just for the briefest of moments.)

I say this to say (admit) there is always the possibility that I personally could have all things wrong theologically speaking. But for the moment, I am content and confident being in the class of Non-Cal (no name etc.)