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Faith received part deux

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Winman

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Must have missed that one, where in world did DHK or anyone call
God's Grace "a catholic schoolgirl"?

DHK did joke about a girl named Grace sometime back. It was obvious sarcasm and not meant to be taken seriously.

It is like the old joke,

Q- What kind of car did God drive?

A- A Plymouth of course, God said he was in his Fury!

Eze 13:Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.

Popular Christian joke many years ago, nowadays the kids wouldn't understand it.
 

quantumfaith

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DHK did joke about a girl named Grace sometime back. It was obvious sarcasm and not meant to be taken seriously.

It is like the old joke,

Q- What kind of car did God drive?

A- A Plymouth of course, God said he was in his Fury!

Eze 13:Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.

Popular Christian joke many years ago, nowadays the kids wouldn't understand it.

Thanks I missed that one, I usually pick up on sarcasm, being fluent in it myself.
 

Winman

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Thanks I missed that one, I usually pick up on sarcasm, being fluent in it myself.

There was a new preacher who lived in a farming community. One day he thought he would get out and introduce himself to his new neighbors. He saw a man working in the field and approached him:

Pastor- Hello, I'm Pastor Smith, the new pastor at Grace Baptist Church and I thought I'd come out and introduce myself and invite folks to church.

Farmer- Nice to meet you Pastor Smith, and thanks for the invite.

Pastor- Before I go, I'd like to ask you an important question... Are you a member of the Christian family?

Farmer- No, they live down the road about four miles, but I'm no relation to them.

Pastor- No, you don't understand, what I meant to ask was, Are you lost?

Farmer- No sir, I've been living here over fifty years, I reckon I know where I am.

Pastor- No, you still don't understand, what I meant to ask was, Are you ready for the Rapture?

Farmer- When is that Pastor?

Pastor- Oh, I don't know, it could be today, or it could be tomorrow.

Farmer- Well, when you find out you let me know, I'm sure my wife would be interested in coming both days! :tongue3:
 
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Gershom

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The scriptures do not teach that God supernaturally "zaps" us to have faith. The scriptures themselves teach that the scriptures appeal to man's ability to reason.

2 Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Paul here says the scriptures are able to make us "wise" unto salvation.

Jn 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Jesus said those who are taught by God come to him. It is those that have heard and learned that come to him.

Combine this with what Paul said in Romans 10.

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Never once do the scriptures ever say God supernaturally zaps a person to have faith. Repeatedly the scriptures say faith comes by hearing the word of God. Jesus said those who have heard and learned come. Paul said the scriptures are able to make a person wise unto salvation.

Paul asks how it is possible for a man to believe unless he has heard of Christ? He asks nothing more, he did not ask how it is possible for a man to believe unless he has been regenerated.

This belief that man is so depraved he must be regenerated to have the ability to believe is foreign to the scriptures and never mentioned even once. You would think that this most important doctrine would have been spoken of repeatedly by Paul, or Jesus, or one of the other apostles or prophets.

Amazing, an entire doctrine built on something never mentioned in all of scripture even once! Incredible.

Amen to that.
 

preacher4truth

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I see. Sarcasm against the Grace of God, or the subject of His Grace, is in vogue and acceptable.

Not with this believer. Ever.

But some would justify anything.

Unreal and shameful.

That you won't (really, "refuse") to see it is telltale.

No holds barred for you all. Even the Grace of God is to be compromised for the sake of sarcasm. Congrats. :thumbsup:
 
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JesusFan

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What has this to do with my post about Adam. Adam sinned. Adam "died." Adam continued to talk with God. How could a "dead person" talk with God? The solution is in the definition of "dead," which most Calvinists have not defined correctly and thus a wrong theology ensues.

Do you agree with the Lord and His Bible that all of us are NOT able to save ourselves, that we are not Able to respond in faith to the Gospel message as we hear, but CANNOT hear in the sense of being able to process it and exercise saving faith in jesus...

Again...

Does NOT mean that we are dead physically!
Still live in body/flesh, still can reason and think, doctrine is that we Cannot come to God in ourselves unless He applies direct grace to us and enable us to be actually able to hear with ;spiritual" hearing, and thus act on it and receive jesus by faith...

You err in how you define the depravity and the Spiritual destruction the fall brought unto all of us, and that apart from grace of God allowing us to be in a position to apply faith in Christ... We simply are unable to in and by ourselves!
 

Winman

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Do you agree with the Lord and His Bible that all of us are NOT able to save ourselves, that we are not Able to respond in faith to the Gospel message as we hear, but CANNOT hear in the sense of being able to process it and exercise saving faith in jesus...

Again...

Does NOT mean that we are dead physically!
Still live in body/flesh, still can reason and think, doctrine is that we Cannot come to God in ourselves unless He applies direct grace to us and enable us to be actually able to hear with ;spiritual" hearing, and thus act on it and receive jesus by faith...

You err in how you define the depravity and the Spiritual destruction the fall brought unto all of us, and that apart from grace of God allowing us to be in a position to apply faith in Christ... We simply are unable to in and by ourselves!

Where does the Bible say we are unable to respond to God when he calls us?
 

psalms109:31

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C.H. Spurgeon: Look to Jesus

It is always the Holy Spirit’s work to turn our eyes away from self to Jesus. But Satan’s work is just the opposite; he is constantly trying to make us look at ourselves instead of Christ.

He insinuates, ‘Your sins are too great for pardon; you have no faith; you do not repent enough; you will never be able to continue to the end; you do not have the joy of His children; you have such a wavering hold of Jesus.’

All these are thoughts about self, and we shall never find comfort or assurance by looking within. But the Holy Spirit turns our eyes entirely away from self: He tells us that we are nothing, but that Christ is everything.

Remember, therefore, it is not your hold of Christ that saves you– it is Christ; it is not your joy in Christ that saves you– it is Christ; it is not even your faith in Christ, although that is the instrument– it is Christ’s blood and merits.

Therefore, do not look so much to your hand with which you are grasping Christ as to Christ; do not look to your hope but to Jesus, the source of your hope; do not look to your faith, but to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of your faith.

We will never find happiness by looking at our prayers, our deeds, or our feelings; it is what Jesus is, not what we are, that gives rest to the soul. If we are to overcome Satan and have peace with God, it must be by ‘looking to Jesus.’

Keep your eye simply on Him; let His death, His sufferings, His merits, His glories, His intercession be fresh upon your mind. When you waken in the morning look to Him; when you lie down at night look to Him.

Oh! Do not let your hopes or fears come between you and Jesus; follow hard after Him, and He will never fail you.

‘My hope is built on nothing less

Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness:

I dare not trust the sweetest frame,

But wholly lean on Jesus’ name.’

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

1 John 1
The Incarnation of the Word of Life
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our[Some manuscripts your] joy complete.

1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

It is never in us, it in Christ, turn away from Him you turn away from life.
 
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quantumfaith

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I see. Sarcasm against the Grace of God, or the subject of His Grace, is in vogue and acceptable.

Not with this believer. Ever.

But some would justify anything.

Unreal and shameful.

That you won't (really, "refuse") to see it is telltale.

No holds barred for you all. Even the Grace of God is to be compromised for the sake of sarcasm. Congrats. :thumbsup:

I am going to a bigger man than I really want to be and refuse to dignify your commentary.
 
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