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Does God "Love" ALL peoples equal basis then?
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quantumfaith
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I would say that it is entirely possible that God loves all equivalently, but not necessarily all equally.
Only if you believe "world" actually means "world".
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I believe world means world.....just not everybody in it without exception.
amy g ......here God's love was in the ark...not outside it with the world of the ungodly
today it is in Jesus alone...wherever his believing ones are, anywhere in the world.....we are in the world but not of it.
quantumfaith
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Thou hatest all workers of iniquity - Some sin now and then, others generally; some constantly, and some labor in it with all their might. These are the Workers of iniquity. Such even the God of infinite love and mercy hates. Alas! what a portion have the workers of iniquity! the hatred of God Almighty
Adam Clarke
Adam Clarke
That is meaningless.
The ungodly are also the unbelievers. Noah preached for 120 years, but they would not believe. That's why God did not spare them.
Do you think God gave those ungodly people 120 years to repent because He really didn't love them? It that were the case, why wait so long to destroy the earth? I believe Peter answers that.
1Pe*3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2Pe*3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
quantumfaith
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I love you too Rippon, have a nice day.
I didn't "mean" to come off "mean" there QF. I sincerely have no idea what you meant in the above.
quantumfaith
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In mathematics, there is a 'nuanced" difference between equivalence and equality. Equivalence essentially means that two (or more) things have the same value. Equality means that two (or more) things are in all ways exactly the same.
I still don't get the qualitative difference. And of course I don't think that John had any mathematical concepts floating around in his brain when he wrote 3:16.
quantumfaith
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I agree with John not having any mathematical notions, but the Holy Spirit could
. Neither did the writer of the preamble to the constitution when stating that "all men are created equal", just my opinion that he would better have said that all men are created "equivalent". Perhaps now you can get a feel for my thought, convoluted as it might have been.I am NOT Apostle John, Nor HS, but I was thinking more along lines that I can "love" all children, but "'LOVE" my own Children!
One being in a general sense, other spefic as they are "familly"
quantumfaith
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God being all that he, in so far as we understand him, is it not possible that God loves all of his creation in the same degree, meaning that he is entirely capable of Loving all but at the same being completely judicial and impartial?
Could....
Just wondering though IF God can have His "favorites?"
Didn't God call all 12 of the Apostles to Jesus, but Jesus still had "inner circle" of james/Peter/John?
quantumfaith
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God's attributes like God are eternal....
there is a general love, there is a special love.
Do you think God loves those who perished while they are tormented in Hell?
If going into judgement is described as judgement without mercy....how do you see the love of God there?
The wrath of God was poured out on the cross on Jesus as our substitute for{the elect}......The love of God is In His Son. The ungodly still face the wrath of God....their is no propitiation for them as it is only for the children of God scattered worldwide. Paul says the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven....not the Love of God.
The long suffering of God was putting up with the wicked so the godly line will not perish.
Here is one you missed AMYG
psalms109:31
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Vessel
The only vessel not prepared for destruction is Jesus and those who are in Him. We are in a body of death, apart from Christ
If anyone thinks that he is a vessel of mercy apart from Jesus they will be very disappointed.
The only vessel not prepared for destruction is Jesus and those who are in Him. We are in a body of death, apart from Christ
If anyone thinks that he is a vessel of mercy apart from Jesus they will be very disappointed.
convicted1
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I agree that God's love was in the ark, and not outside of it. But what was the difference between the two? One found grace in the sight of God(Noah and his family), and the rest did not. It wasn't that God hated them without a cause, though. The reason why Noah and his family survived and the others perished was because of disobedience.
Gen. 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
So here you see why those who were left out of the ark. Their imaginations were continually evil. It was by their continual evil doing that God chose to wipe the earth clean, and start all over again, with Noah and his family.