Please list the various Models Of Sotierology In Baptist Circles Today!

[JesusFan]

keep reading that I am confusing non cals with the arms here, in their theologires...

Could someone list for me the models of salvation held in baptist circles, and chief view points?

So that I could become "educated"?

I really just know both cal and arm....

 

[Bob Alkire]

keep reading that I am confusing non cals with the arms here, in their theologires...

Could someone list for me the models of salvation held in baptist circles, and chief view points?

So that I could become "educated"?

I really just know both cal and arm....

Calvinistic, Arminianism and with in those two are differences in many of each. Free Grace and there is difference with in their ranks as well.
I'm sure there should be some others.

 

[drfuss]

keep reading that I am confusing non cals with the arms here, in their theologires...

Could someone list for me the models of salvation held in baptist circles, and chief view points?

So that I could become "educated"?

I really just know both cal and arm....

I will give you some for starters.

1. Calvinists/Covenant - Presbyterian

2. Calvinists - Baptist

3. General Eternal Security - One or two point Calvinists.

4. Hodges/Stanley - True Christians can stop trusting Christ and die not believing and still be saved.

5. Classic Arminians - Can forfeit, but not lose salvation.

6. Wesleyan Arminians - Can lose salvation by long term resistance to the Holy Spriit.

7. Roman Catholic Church - Faith and works required for salvation.

8. Others from #1, 2, 3, 5, 6 who strayed over the theological cliff into believing committing sins or lack of works can affect your salvation.

I think there are many different types of Calvinists that I have not included.

 

[webdog]

I think he was looking for views strictly within baptist churches...and I believe you are incorrect on no. 4

 

[drfuss]

I think he was looking for views strictly within baptist churches...and I believe you are incorrect on no. 4

See Charles Stanley's book entitled "Eternal Security", Chapter #8 entitled "For Those Who Stop Believing", page #79 (1990 edition). A different page in the 2002 edition, but the same words.

 

[webdog]

See Charles Stanley's book entitled "Eternal Security", Chapter #8 entitled "For Those Who Stop Believing", page #79 (1990 edition). A different page in the 2002 edition, but the same words.

He is a millenial exclusionist, but they do believe after the 1000 years this person will be eternally saved.

 

[God's_Servant]

I will give you some for starters.

1. Calvinists/Covenant - Presbyterian

2. Calvinists - Baptist

3. General Eternal Security - One or two point Calvinists.

4. Hodges/Stanley - True Christians can stop trusting Christ and die not believing and still be saved.

5. Classic Arminians - Can forfeit, but not lose salvation.

6. Wesleyan Arminians - Can lose salvation by long term resistance to the Holy Spriit.

7. Roman Catholic Church - Faith and works required for salvation.

8. Others from #1, 2, 3, 5, 6 who strayed over the theological cliff into believing committing sins or lack of works can affect your salvation.

I think there are many different types of Calvinists that I have not included.

There are Baptists who accept covenant theology.

 

[David Lamb]

I will give you some for starters.

1. Calvinists/Covenant - Presbyterian


6. Wesleyan Arminians - Can lose salvation by long term resistance to the Holy Spriit.

7. Roman Catholic Church - Faith and works required for salvation.

In baptist circles?

 

[drfuss]

He is a millenial exclusionist, but they do believe after the 1000 years this person will be eternally saved.

I said they will still be saved, didn't I?

"4. Hodges/Stanley - True Christians can stop trusting Christ and die not believing and still be saved."

I was aware of the millenial exclusionist part, but left it out.

Note that Stanley agrees with the Classic Arminian position that a True Christian can stop trusting Christ, it is just that he believes that the result is different.

 

[drfuss]

In baptist circles?

You are right. I got carried away.

According to God's Servant's post, we should just drop Presbyterian from #1.

 

[glfredrick]

We will never arrive at any reasonable conclusion by approaching this issue in this fashion, for many are as or more upset at the terminology as they are for the underlying doctrine, all the while still holding the doctrines, but under some contrived name (or lack thereof).

Better would be a nice chart of the various positions held by the various positions so that one could see where the fall on the spectrum, terminology aside.

I think that we would soon find that there are decided categories for the belief structures of most people here and elsewhere, save for the handful that make things up as they go based purely on emotional appeal. I also think that we would discover that most would disavow the category under which they fall, largely because of cultural and traditional conditioning against the TERM but not against the actual doctrines.

 

[drfuss]

We will never arrive at any reasonable conclusion by approaching this issue in this fashion, for many are as or more upset at the terminology as they are for the underlying doctrine, all the while still holding the doctrines, but under some contrived name (or lack thereof).

Better would be a nice chart of the various positions held by the various positions so that one could see where the fall on the spectrum, terminology aside.

I think that we would soon find that there are decided categories for the belief structures of most people here and elsewhere, save for the handful that make things up as they go based purely on emotional appeal. I also think that we would discover that most would disavow the category under which they fall, largely because of cultural and traditional conditioning against the TERM but not against the actual doctrines.

I agree, some type of table listing the aspects of the various Baptist beliefs would be helpful. For instance, most Calvinists, General Eternal Security believers, and Classic Arminians believe a person must be trusting Christ when they die to go to heaven. Of these groups, most of the differences are definitions and terminology.

Only the Stanley group and perhaps the Primitive Baptists (there are probably others that I don't know of) believe a person does not have to be trusting Christ when they die to in order to go to heavengo to heaven.

 

[JesusFan]

We will never arrive at any reasonable conclusion by approaching this issue in this fashion, for many are as or more upset at the terminology as they are for the underlying doctrine, all the while still holding the doctrines, but under some contrived name (or lack thereof).

Better would be a nice chart of the various positions held by the various positions so that one could see where the fall on the spectrum, terminology aside.

I think that we would soon find that there are decided categories for the belief structures of most people here and elsewhere, save for the handful that make things up as they go based purely on emotional appeal. I also think that we would discover that most would disavow the category under which they fall, largely because of cultural and traditional conditioning against the TERM but not against the actual doctrines.

Think that you just hit the "nail on the head!"

Its a combo package of some of us holding to our positions are "best/Olny" way to understand Bible, that some say that IF you hold to "XYZ" theology you are ignorant, believe in fairy tails, others, others like myself, ignorant to what all of these theologies really teach/believe in, and some fail to logically think thru their own theological perspextives!