When did Heaven and Earth pass Away

End of Time

JesusFan,
Your remark regarding the identity of the Saints in question
must address the last ones who "must be killed before God
can avenge their blood". Rev.6:9-11. Those who appear in
Rev.7:9-15 have "come out of the great tribulation" and so
must include Saints killed until the "end of the age". If we
split over whether these Saints refer only to Pre-Trib martyrs,
we add fuel to the argument of Logos that the End comes before
the last martyrs have been killed.
Mel at www.lastday.net

 

Thank you lastday. I've added your link for a later look.

- Peace

 

All has not been fulfilled, Christ has not returned bodily and visibly.
Neither does righteousness rule over this planet (watch the news) but on the contrary sin and death still reign and we still need undertakers and cemetaries to bury the dead. Neither do we have immortal resurrected bodies. Neither does the lion lie down with the lamb, etc, etc, etc...

HankD

 

The LORD (A) said unto my Lord,(B) Sit thou at my (C) right hand, until I (D) make thine (E) enemies thy (F) footstool.



But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then (at his coming) the end, when he (G) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he (H) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he (I) must reign, till he (J) hath put all enemies under his (K) feet.


Please insert for each letter above in ( ) Either the Father, Son, or David.

Here are mine.
A. Father
B. Son
C. Father
D. Father
E. Son
F. Son
G. Son
H. Father
I. Father
J. Father
K. Son

OR

The Father said unto the Son sit thou at the Father's right hand until the Father makes the Son's enemies the Son's footstool.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then (at his coming) the end, when the Son shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when the Father shall have put down all rule and authority and power. For the Father must reign, till the Father has put all enemies under the Son's feet.


Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


Did that happen in AD 70?

 

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Why? Why did the Christ have to be raised from the dead?

For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: and if Christ be not raised, your faith vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

Why? Why do they not exist anymore if Christ has not been raised?

This is what God; Father,Son,Holy Spirit told the only created being at the time of his creation.

and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'
This is what the serpent; Satan told woman who was taken from the one created.
And the serpent saith unto the woman, `Dying, ye do not die,

You are or have an immortal soul.

Adam who God told dying thou dost die was the figure of him to come. That is the Word that became flesh, Jesus, the Christ of whom this is said: Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Christ had to be raised from the dead in order to have life and was raised with an incorruptible body.

What about the prophet David on this faithful day fifty days after the resurrection of the Christ?

Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

His soul is still in hell (Hades the realm of the dead) and he did see corruption. He is still with that son that he went to in death along with his fathers.

The word does not teach dying and going somewhere it teaches being resurrected to life in the kingdom of God or damnation the second death.

Was David resurrected in 70 AD and those alive changed incorruptible?

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Resurrected into the kingdom of God.

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation (the kingdom of God) be born at once? for as soon as Zion (the church) travailed, she brought forth her children.

 

Acts 1

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.​

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.​

HankD​

 

Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

 

Not quite.

Thus saith Titus Flavius Josephus.

 

Somebody please wake me up for I did not know we had it so good.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Wake up President Obama also.

 

I had a good weekend logos and I hope the same for you brother.

These quotes are pointing to His return which, in the opinion of most (from the early church to this very day), has not yet happened.

Every once and a while I post them to let others who may be young in the faith and/or not well versed in the Second Coming see the futurist point of view along with your rebuttal.

Everyone can decide for themselves.

HankD

 

Which is what I believe the word of God teaches.

Let's look at a couple of verses.

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

From whence was the Christ resurrected per this verse KJV hell Literal Hades
and how concerning his flesh, incorruptible. How did the Christ himself or his soul come about being in Hades? By death.

Is this part of this verse also concerning the resurrection? Col. 1:18 who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all he might have the preeminence.

Matt. 16:18 I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The way into hell (Hades) shall not prevail over the church. Prevail implies they have found themselves there but will not be held there. Where? Hades.
How did they get there? Through the gate of death.

Will the church be conformed to the image of the firstborn from the dead Son of God when they are resurrected from the dead (Hades, the realm of the dead)? Will he the Son Jesus then be called the firstborn of many brethren, that is so born?

 

We will be like Him, alive and with a resurrected body:

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

HankD​

 

Amen Hank it's called the resurrection of life