At least you got that part right.
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Did Jesus walk by faith
- Thread starter freeatlast
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At least you got that part right.
Which he should be entitled to.
Why was this Son of Man the Christ the Son of God qualified as high priest?
Was it in a moment in the twinkling of an eye?
Did it require faith? Was it at this same moment he became author and finisher of faith, and therefore was seated at the right hand of the throne of God?
Was it at this same moment he by inheritance obtained a name more excellent than the angels, being made so much better than the angels, of whom he had been made a little lower than? Speaking of emptying.
Hebrews 5:1-10, Hebrews 12:2-8, Hebrews 1:4,5 and 2:9
At least you got that part right.
Dont you commence a personal dispute. I have it all right; or at least as much right as everybody else. The true is not determined by how many persons believe in it. Some times, a single person is more right than everybody else, including all persons from the pass. We - today - accept that Luther was right and everybody else was wrong.
I'm sorry my comments were short and pointed. At the time it seemed to be an appropriate response for such unorthodoxy: "Jesus didn't know he was Christ".Dont you commence a personal dispute. I have it all right; or at least as much right as everybody else. The true is not determined by how many persons believe in it. Some times, a single person is more right than everybody else, including all persons from the pass. We - today - accept that Luther was right and everybody else was wrong.
How Christ was both God and man is above our understanding; however, when we read the Bible we must understand that it is true and never think that because he became the Son of Man he ever ceased being the Son of God. Scriptures that speak to his humanity must be weighed in harmony with those that speak to His divinity.
You seem to be leaning to one side at the expense of the other.
I'm sorry my comments were short and pointed. At the time it seemed to be an appropriate response for such unorthodoxy: "Jesus didn't know he was Christ".
How Christ was both God and man is above our understanding; however, when we read the Bible we must understand that it is true and never think that because he became the Son of Man he ever ceased being the Son of God. Scriptures that speak to his humanity must be weighed in harmony with those that speak to His divinity.
You seem to be leaning to one side at the expense of the other.
Are we going to start again with the kenosis discussion? You have already failed to quote a single verse refering to any divine atribute in Jesus of Nazareth.
Jesus being 12 went to Jerusalem. Probably he completed 13 at Jerusalem and that was the reason of the trip to Jerusalem. Being 13 he was an adult and had the possibility to ask questions to the teachers of the scriptures. Actually it is irelevan if he was 13 or not. The fact is that he enquired with the teachers with curiosity concerning the Christ. He did learn about the Christ. He did lisened. By lisening the scripotures and teachers he aquired and reinforced his faith. And this is the topic: if Jesus lived by faith.
In my opinion - wich have been very contrivertial - Jesus didnt know he was the Christ. In my opionion - that caused many to refute it - Jesus learned about himself listening to his parents, quetioning the teachers, and studying by himself the scriptures. Eventually he comes to the conclusion by faith that he was the Christ.
That is my opinion.
Ummm - wow. Can I ask you if you came up with this idea yourself or is this what your pastor teaches?
Dont you commence a personal dispute. I have it all right; or at least as much right as everybody else. The true is not determined by how many persons believe in it. Some times, a single person is more right than everybody else, including all persons from the pass. We - today - accept that Luther was right and everybody else was wrong.
So every theologian through history was wrong?
Do you doubt that there are proof texts for Jesus' Divinity, or do you doubt my ability to post them?Are we going to start again with the kenosis discussion? You have already failed to quote a single verse refering to any divine atribute in Jesus of Nazareth.
Jesus being 12 went to Jerusalem. Probably he completed 13 at Jerusalem and that was the reason of the trip to Jerusalem. Being 13 he was an adult and had the possibility to ask questions to the teachers of the scriptures. Actually it is irelevan if he was 13 or not. The fact is that he enquired with the teachers with curiosity concerning the Christ. He did learn about the Christ. He did lisened. By lisening the scripotures and teachers he aquired and reinforced his faith. And this is the topic: if Jesus lived by faith.
And never mind what the OP is. You've made some pretty bold and strange statement since the OP.
Ummm - wow. Can I ask you if you came up with this idea yourself or is this what your pastor teaches?
I came to that true after studying the Gospels in deep.
Are we going to start again with the kenosis discussion? You have already failed to quote a single verse refering to any divine atribute in Jesus of Nazareth.
I see that you are continuing this lie again tonight. We gave 13 yesterday which you continue to ignore.
So every theologian through history was wrong?
Until you demostrate I am wrong I will remain right. And you have failed very badly trying to refute my teachings.
Until you demostrate I am wrong I will remain right. And you have failed very badly trying to refute my teachings.
LOL - OK - I have not refuted your teachings in your mind because your mind is made up and closed. You refuse to see the truth of Scripture and I have to wonder why that is. I'm sure your pastor would love to discuss this with you and show you as we have that your teachings are so far from the Scriptures that they ARE considered heresy. Many here have refuted you with Scripture and you come up with your own ideas. Sorry - God wins. :laugh:
Until you demostrate I am wrong I will remain right. And you have failed very badly trying to refute my teachings.
Of course when you ignore the rebuttals and pretend they don't exists and pretend that only your view is present, then sure it's easy to make a self proclamation of being right.
I would love to see you respond to the 13 or so divine attributes of Jesus that we have posted numerous times.
I came to that true after studying the Gospels in deep.
You have come to error....alot of it. It is one thing to not understand ,have questions or try to learn....It is sinful however to denigrate Jesus
like this;
In my opinion - wich have been very contrivertial - Jesus didnt know he was the Christ.
Luke 2:49
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Do you doubt that there are proof texts for Jesus' Divinity, or do you doubt my ability to post them?
And never mind what the OP is. You've made some pretty bold and strange statement since the OP.
I am trying to stay focused in th OP. But that doesent meant I have to give up on my believes and what I teached.
Jesus is God. That has never been questioned. In the Kenosis thread we were discussing if after emptying out Jesus had any divine atributes. Obviously he continues to be God. All of that have been said and repeat so many times that I can not believe that you still are confused. Jesus is God but he had no one iof the divine atributes. Jesus was God and yet he was not omniscient almighty of omnipresent.
In that thread it was proved out of doubts that Jesus had not even one divine atribute. Even he was God. It was proved so clearly and so definetly that the administrators option was to close the thread and buried all that make them so unconfortable.
If you have any proof of Jesus having a divine atribute...even one will do...I propose you re-open a thread to discus it.
I see that you are continuing this lie again tonight. We gave 13 yesterday which you continue to ignore.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=73249&page=11
Here we go.
God the Son is God and have all divine attributes. That has never been questioned. God the Son did emty himself of all divine attributes he has, for entering the World as Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus of Nazareth did not have any divine attributes.
Now lets check out what divine attribute you have found in Jesus of Nazareth; not in God the Son but in Jesus of Nazareth who is the incarnation (without divine attributes) of God the Son.
A. Christ has SELF-EXISTENT life.
John 1:4 "In Him was life" IT IS REFERING TO THE VERB, TO THE WORD, TO GOD THE SON; NOT AT ALL TO JESUS OF NAZARETH
John 14:6 "I am the Life" THIS IS NOT A DIVINE ATRIBUTE. TO BE LIFE IS NOT A DIVINE ATRIBUTE IN ANY LISTING. AND IT IS NOT SAYING A WORD ABOUT SELF-EXISTENCE.
Acts 3:15 "the Prince (Author) of life" TO BE AUTHOR OF THE LIFE IS NOT A DIVINE ATRIBUTE, IS NOT PROVING SELF-EXISTENCE, AND IS TALKING ABOUT GOD THE SON.
B. Christ is ETERNAL.
Isaiah 9:6 "the everlasting Father" (or "the Father of eternity")
Micah 5:2 "whose goings forth have been of old, from everlasting"
Compare John 8:35; John 8:58; 1 John 1:2; 1 John 5:11.
IT IS TALKING OF GOD THE SON. WE KNOW THAT JESUS DID BIRTH.
C. Christ is UNCHANGEABLE.
Hebrews 1:10-12 "but thou art the same" IDS REFERING TO GOD THE SON NOT TO JESUS OF NAZARETH
Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever" 13:9 IT IS TALKING ABOUT DOCTRINE. DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY CENTURIES HAVE PASS AND HOW MANY DOCTRINES HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME
JESUS DID GREW UP AND CHANGED. HE CHANGED SO MUCH THAT NOBODY COULD RECOGNICE HIM AFTER RESURRECTION
D. Christ is OMNIPRESENT.
See Matthew 28:20 THAT IS CLEARLY AFTER THE ASCENSION. JESUS IS TALKING OF THE SITUTION AFTER HIS ASCENCION.
JESUS WAS ALWAYS IN A SPECIFIC PLACE AND NOT IN OTHER. HE HAS TO TRAVEL. HE WAS NOT OMNIPRESENT.
E. Christ is OMNISCIENT.
See John 2:24-25 (compare Jeremiah 17:9-10);
John 6:64; 16:30; Colossians 2:3.
Examples:
Matthew 17:24-27
Luke 5:22
John 1:48
John 4:16-19
John 21:6
JEUS DID NOT KNOW TO MANY THINGS AND THAT IS A CLEAR SIGN OF NON OMNISCIENCE. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY THING HE KNEW, HE DIDN’T KNEW THEM ALL. HE WAS NOT OMNISCIENT.
F. Christ is OMNIPOTENT.
See John 5:19 THIS VERSE IS SAYING THAT JESUS CAN DO NOTHING BUT… BEING UNABLE TO DO NOTHING BUT…IS NOT OMNIPOTENCE BAT TOTAL LACK OF POTENCY.
Philippians 3:20-21 GOD THE SON HAVE A LOT OF POWER. THIS IS GODS THE SON IN THE FUTURE, NOT JESUS OF NAZARETH IN EARTH.
Revelation 1:8 with Revelation 22:12-13 for identification. GOD THE SON, NOT JESUS OF NAZARETH
Examples: Luke 4:39; Matthew 8:26-27; Mark 5:12-13; Luke 7:14-15; John 2:19-22
G. Christ is PERFECT.
(the term "perfect" as used in Scripture generally means "complete, nothing lacking")
See Colossians 1:19 IS ABOUT GOD THE SON, NOT JESUS OF NAZARETH
Colossians 2:9-10 SAME
H. Christ is INFINITE.
See John 10:28 IT WAS NEVER QUESTIONED THAT WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE BY JESUS IN THE CROSS. IT IS SAYING NOTHIG OF JESUS OF NAZARET BEING INFINITE
Ephesians 3:8 INFINITE????
Colossians 2:3 GOD THE SON NOT JESUS OF NAZARETH
I can continue with all the listing; but I am realizing that there is not a point on doing it. You are inteligent and could found the same answers I am giving. You didnt not becaose lack of knowledge or light, but because you simply dont want to.
In all the Gospels, in all the NT, in all the Bible there is not a single insinuation of Jesus having not even one single divine atribute. Offcourse he have it before incarnation and after ascencion. Those divine atributes he has before and after and those atributes from wich he emtied out, and the atributes he did not have during his existence inn Earth as Jesus of Nazareth.
I belive that this one is a definetive answer destroying any atempt to support the false doctrine of Jesus with divine atributes. We are done. End.
freeatlast
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I am trying to stay focused in th OP. But that doesent meant I have to give up on my believes and what I teached.
Jesus is God. That has never been questioned. In the Kenosis thread we were discussing if after emptying out Jesus had any divine atributes. Obviously he continues to be God. All of that have been said and repeat so many times that I can not believe that you still are confused. Jesus is God but he had no one iof the divine atributes. Jesus was God and yet he was not omniscient almighty of omnipresent.
In that thread it was proved out of doubts that Jesus had not even one divine atribute. Even he was God. It was proved so clearly and so definetly that the administrators option was to close the thread and buried all that make them so unconfortable.
If you have any proof of Jesus having a divine atribute...even one will do...I propose you re-open a thread to discus it.
Goinheix let me ask you this. You state that you believe that Jesus walked by faith. I am neither confirming nor denying that belief. However since you feel that Jesus did not know He was the Messiah but came to faith in that, at what point do you think He figured it out?
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If you have any proof of Jesus having a divine atribute...even one will do...I propose you re-open a thread to discus it.
I just posted on the other thread. I will repost it here:
John 16:30 "Now we know that you know all things and do not need anyone to question you; this is why we believe that you came from God.”
John 16:33 "But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
Jesus knew all things. He overcame the world. He fully had divine attributes while He walked on earth.
Oh - and only moderators have the ability to re-open threads. They will not open the old thread since I believe it hit it's page limit.