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When Did KJVO come Into Church?
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David Lamb
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Not sure, but it definitely wasn't before 1611. :laugh:
LOL!:thumbs:
JF,
As to the history, there is plenty available via search on the BB, no real need to rehash the hash.
Main current proponents would be (in the IFB world) Pete Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, The Bible For Today, various IFB colleges and the Sword of the Lord crowd. There may be even more contemporary ones but since I don't wander in those paths any more I'm not up-to-date on that.
Woukld you tend to see more KJVO or KJV preferred here on BB?
I would guess that most are not KJVO or KJVP, but rather tend to use other versions, much like those in our churches.
kjvo was very strong in the 40's, 50's and early 60's, when we were defending the faith against rising liberalism. In Canada, all the evangelical bible colleges and baptist seminaries used the KJV throughout.
We accepted other versions for reference and study, but our main bible was the KJV.
Cheers,
Jim
We accepted other versions for reference and study, but our main bible was the KJV.
Cheers,
Jim
Then it certainly wasn't KJVO;not if there was an acceptance of other versions for reference and study.
KJVO is at a whole other level -- a downgrade.
We were KJVO in the sense that no other version would be accepted as authoritative. It would be a "sin" to take any other version into the pulpit.
To understand this viewpoint one had to understand the "battle" we were in, and this included your grandfather, if I remember correctly.
The KJV stood strong into the 60's and it was treated as "THE" Bible. I remember teaching on the "seeming contradictions in the Bible", pointing out some of the errors in the KJV, including the complete reverse in meanings of certain words. One faithful member came to me and expressed the challenge to his faith after these lessons....That is how strongly the KJV sat in baptist churches in those days.
Cheers,
Jim
To understand this viewpoint one had to understand the "battle" we were in, and this included your grandfather, if I remember correctly.
The KJV stood strong into the 60's and it was treated as "THE" Bible. I remember teaching on the "seeming contradictions in the Bible", pointing out some of the errors in the KJV, including the complete reverse in meanings of certain words. One faithful member came to me and expressed the challenge to his faith after these lessons....That is how strongly the KJV sat in baptist churches in those days.
Cheers,
Jim
I feel the same way about my ESV.
David Lamb
Well-Known Member
I am 99% sure that no one on the Baptist Board would contend either that the KJV is not the bible, or that you are wrong in saying that it satisfies you so you don't need any other.
I expect in the years following 1611 there were people who said, "The Geneva bible still IS the Bible. Some tell me I am wrong, but I don't need any other."
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NE here has EVER said that the KJV was not a good bible version though!just have been saying that other english version equally the Word of God for today!
I read and constantly refer people to the J.B Phillips, New Testament in Modern English. It conveys God's word in a language readily understood by all.
Having said this, J.B. Phillips was as theologically liberal as they come.
Just saying that we can find God's word in many forms and from many sources.
Cheers,
Jim
Having said this, J.B. Phillips was as theologically liberal as they come.
Just saying that we can find God's word in many forms and from many sources.
Cheers,
Jim
The KJV is not "The" Bible...it's a valid English translation of the Bible.
The KJVO of the 1940s had few other valid English versions to choose from. I believe most agree the British RV of 1881 is a rather groddy version. The ASV of 1901 wasn't over-popular.
The CURRENT KJVO myth began around 1955 when "J. J. Ray's" book, God Wrote Only One Bible came out. This book copied heavily from 7TH DAY ADVENTIST Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson's 1930 book, Our Authorized Bible Vindicated. Wilkinson's book is a collection of snippets favorable to KJVO that he gathered from various sources, most of them dubious.
However, KJVO didn't become a full-blown church-wrecking myth until the 1970s when more modern English Bible versions came out. While most Christians quickly realized how phony that myth is, it fooled enough people to create a market for subsequent authors such as Riplinger, Menton, Chick, Grady, Ruckman, etc.
The KJVO of the 1940s had few other valid English versions to choose from. I believe most agree the British RV of 1881 is a rather groddy version. The ASV of 1901 wasn't over-popular.
The CURRENT KJVO myth began around 1955 when "J. J. Ray's" book, God Wrote Only One Bible came out. This book copied heavily from 7TH DAY ADVENTIST Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson's 1930 book, Our Authorized Bible Vindicated. Wilkinson's book is a collection of snippets favorable to KJVO that he gathered from various sources, most of them dubious.
However, KJVO didn't become a full-blown church-wrecking myth until the 1970s when more modern English Bible versions came out. While most Christians quickly realized how phony that myth is, it fooled enough people to create a market for subsequent authors such as Riplinger, Menton, Chick, Grady, Ruckman, etc.
You should check out a good history on this like the one by DA Carson. He ably identifies the primary progenitors of this discussion.
I'd say the KJVO position really came about during the fundamentalist-modernist controversy of the early 20th century. There were a bunch of new translations being produced and many were being used by modernist proponents. Many within the fundamentalist camp (J Frank Norris, J Wilbur Chapman, Isaac Massey Hadelman, etc) were threatened by the scholarship and, seemingly, attachment to liberalism.
There are earlier examples, men who objected to Westcott and Hort, but these aren't good discussions.
Ironically you never find a KJVO proponent in Russia.
LOL!!:laugh: