Did An OT believer have HS Same way We do today?

[JesusFan]

IF they did receive him in same fashion, good proof of a Covental theology, as isreal and Church part of same spiritual body, a continuation!

IF they did not, had a different experience, that would tend to prove NOT a continuation, new entity, and would lend support to Dispy viewpoint!

 

[Jon-Marc]

The Holy Spirit would come upon people temporarily in the OT days to enable them to do a specific task--like in Sampson's case. When his hair was cut, the Holy Spirit left him; He didn't stay with them as He does now. We are indwelt, and He is always with us. Unfortunately, we don't allow Him to work in us as believers did in the past. Otherwise, we would do some great things as they did in the OT days and even as they did in Jesus' day.

 

[freeatlast]

No there was a difference. According to John 7:39 the Spirit had not yet been given also we see it in 14:16,17. So it is clear that there is a difference between the OT and NT saints in regards to the Spirit.

 

[JesusFan]

No there was a difference. According to John 7:39 the Spirit had not yet been given also we see it in 14:16,17. So it is clear that there is a difference between the OT and NT saints in regards to the Spirit.

Which illustrates the BIG upgrade when NT saints contrasted with OT believers...

they did NOT have HS indwelling as we now have, so they did NOT have divine power by God to live out their lives as we now do!

 

[freeatlast]

Which illustrates the BIG upgrade when NT saints contrasted with OT believers...

they did NOT have HS indwelling as we now have, so they did NOT have divine power by God to live out their lives as we now do!

Then I assume you agree that there is no excuse for a Christian not keeping the commandments.

 

[MNJacob]

So we have Holy Spirit 2.0, so to speak.:thumbsup:

 

[JesusFan]

Then I assume you agree that there is no excuse for a Christian not keeping the commandments.

ALL depends on the reason/motivation WHY you are trying to keep them...

Out of love towards jesus, desire to walk in fellowship with him?

or else out of duty of obligation, that somehow we 'need' to in order to show we are saved, we are growing etc

either out of love or law!
And through the HS in us, can stay in Will of God,and need to repent/confess and move on when we sin!

 

[freeatlast]

ALL depends on the reason/motivation WHY you are trying to keep them...

Out of love towards jesus, desire to walk in fellowship with him?

or else out of duty of obligation, that somehow we 'need' to in order to show we are saved, we are growing etc

either out of love or law!
And through the HS in us, can stay in Will of God,and need to repent/confess and move on when we sin!

I am glad you agree that as Christians we are to keep the commandments and are also able since that is what scripture teaches. However the OT saints had the same ability according to scripture and Paul says while he was under the law he was blameless.

 

[freeatlast]

So we have Holy Spirit 2.0, so to speak.:thumbsup:

No I don't think I refer to the Spirit in such a secular or carnal way.

 

[JesusFan]

I am glad you agree that as Christians we are to keep the commandments and are also able since that is what scripture teaches. However the OT saints had the same ability according to scripture and Paul says while he was under the law he was blameless.

NNE in the Bible apart from Adam before the fall and Jesus Himself!

No one ever kept the law as God intended, other than jesus!

The OT believers had ONLY their flesh, noyt the Holy Spirit within them as we now have today, so they NEVER were able to keep it!

 

[freeatlast]

NNE in the Bible apart from Adam before the fall and Jesus Himself!

No one ever kept the law as God intended, other than jesus!

The OT believers had ONLY their flesh, noyt the Holy Spirit within them as we now have today, so they NEVER were able to keep it!

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, [of] the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

 

[JesusFan]

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, [of] the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

A rightousness that was NOT same as that demanded by God though, unable to save anyone, as God demands perfection in the Law, a perfection of mind and heart, ONLY Jesus evr has and can keep it way God demanded!

Noah found favor in sight of the Lord, Joseph also

NONE were as jesus, HOLY and blameless in ALL of the Law!

 

[freeatlast]

A rightousness that was NOT same as that demanded by God though, unable to save anyone, as God demands perfection in the Law, a perfection of mind and heart, ONLY Jesus evr has and can keep it way God demanded!

Noah found favor in sight of the Lord, Joseph also

NONE were as jesus, HOLY and blameless in ALL of the Law!

That has nothing to do with this.

 

[JesusFan]

That has nothing to do with this.

Your claimed that OT saints were blameless by ability to keep the Law, and had means to di such...

bible disagrees!